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Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system, alt.os.linux.mint, alt.os.linux
Subject Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers
Date 2015-05-02 15:45 +1200
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Message-ID <020520151545313034%YourName@YourISP.com> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <250420151142386952%star@sky.net> <250420151148354079%nospam@nospam.invalid> <slrnmjnh3h.qpc.g.kreme@amelia.local> <mhgko5$uvd$1@dont-email.me> <mhuj3f$kbn$1@dont-email.me>

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In article <mhuj3f$kbn$1@dont-email.me>, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org>
wrote:
> On 2015-04-25 18:01:36 +0000, Chris Ahlstrom said:
> > 
> > If you really really need or like Photoshop, go ahead and use it.
> > But shut the fuck up about it here, please.
> 
> The same could be said to the GIMP zealots.
> 
> Look I agree - if GIMP works for you, use it.  I tried.. used it quite 
> a lot.. it didn't work for what *I* needed.. so I use Photoshop and 
> Lightroom.  Doesn't make GIMP any less legitimate to its users.
> 
> This is like an EMACs vs Vi vs Textmate debate I swear.. :P

Just to pour some petrol on the "flames" ... ;-)

The February 2015 issue of the UK magazine MacFormat did a Group Test
of six different "Mac Photo Editors" (those costing less than £80)
which came up with these results ...

    Photoshop Elements 13 is our overall winner, but that's
    not to say it's the best app for you. Photoshop Elements 
    is the second-most expensive, but it is a complete 
    package: it offers organisation, raw image support and a
    powerful layer-based  editing platform in Expert mode,
    complemented by Guided mode for beginners. GIMP is 
    powerful and free, deserving of a place on every hard 
    drive, but can be daunting. Pixelmator is an excellent 
    app if you want Photoshop-like editing without the 
    organisation features. AfterShot Pro and Photo Director 
    are geared more toward organising photo libraries and 
    adjusting large numbers of photos, although the latter
    includes retouching tools too.

    Rating (out of five stars)

      AfterShot Pro 2          2 stars
      GIMP                     2 stars
      iPhoto                   3 stars
      PhotoDirector 6 Ultra    4 stars
      Pixelmator 3             3 stars
      Photoshop Elements 13    4 stars

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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-25 16:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 16:29 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-25 16:49 -0400
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-25 16:43 -0400
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 10:28 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 06:17 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 10:29 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-05-05 01:25 -0400
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 06:16 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:00 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 23:08 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-05 23:17 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:31 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 20:19 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:23 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-05 18:27 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:38 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-05 12:40 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 07:29 -0500
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 09:47 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-05-05 08:33 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:16 -0400
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:25 +1200
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 23:17 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-05 23:18 +0000
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                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-11 06:11 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-11 13:39 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-11 16:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-11 23:13 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-11 21:50 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 04:00 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-12 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alfred Myford <myford100@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 11:48 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-12 09:52 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alfred Myford <myford100@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-12 15:39 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-12 19:33 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:21 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:02 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 11:05 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:29 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 12:10 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:52 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-13 16:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 17:31 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:42 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:32 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:11 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 22:49 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:18 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 16:55 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:41 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-13 18:02 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 10:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 12:38 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 10:49 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-13 18:59 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 11:04 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-13 19:30 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 14:54 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 13:06 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 16:02 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:39 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 21:20 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 09:18 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 15:10 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:19 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-13 18:01 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-05-12 23:18 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:18 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 09:51 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 11:44 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:49 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-13 11:45 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 22:41 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-13 15:50 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 12:35 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-14 12:54 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 11:25 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 10:32 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-14 20:48 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:57 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:00 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 16:13 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 17:20 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-05-14 22:52 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 14:59 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 08:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 10:40 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 08:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 11:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 12:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 09:34 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 11:41 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 13:30 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohnson@cfaj.ca> - 2015-05-15 23:42 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-05-16 04:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-16 16:15 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 21:32 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 21:52 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 22:54 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-16 18:27 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 00:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 01:17 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:40 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:03 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 15:14 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 06:29 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:35 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-16 06:39 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:01 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 11:31 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-05-17 07:11 +1000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 10:47 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 11:51 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:12 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 09:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 13:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-14 18:16 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 10:48 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 13:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 14:26 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 11:29 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 14:42 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:14 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 08:52 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 11:44 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 14:48 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 15:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:06 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:34 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:43 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-14 17:45 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-14 17:54 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 13:09 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 08:52 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:27 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 09:38 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 10:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 10:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 11:41 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:51 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 12:23 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 14:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 13:12 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 08:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-16 10:29 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:03 -0400
                Subject lines to not make threads Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 23:04 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 16:37 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-15 19:47 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 16:57 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-16 18:34 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-16 14:46 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 16:57 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-16 21:25 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-16 19:13 -0400
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-17 12:39 +1200
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-17 09:19 +0000
                Re: Subject lines to not make threads dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-05-17 07:07 +1000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 12:36 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 13:25 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 14:33 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 15:50 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:37 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 17:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:49 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-05-17 07:23 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-17 11:34 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-18 09:36 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-15 19:45 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 17:39 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 17:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-05-16 01:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 11:43 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 13:56 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 12:30 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 13:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:08 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-14 23:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 08:49 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-15 14:58 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-15 09:25 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-16 04:39 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-15 08:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 15:58 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:30 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:02 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-14 16:12 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:21 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 12:07 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 15:53 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-14 13:05 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 12:50 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 08:15 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 09:23 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-15 08:57 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 10:56 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-15 14:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-15 10:59 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-14 18:33 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-14 13:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-13 19:28 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-05-13 12:51 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-13 11:53 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-05-13 14:13 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-14 14:06 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 17:46 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 13:10 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 16:33 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 11:24 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-13 17:45 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-13 12:12 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-05-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 12:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-05-14 14:10 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 14:21 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-14 15:15 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-14 18:30 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-13 22:44 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-12 10:30 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 14:31 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:29 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 16:57 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 17:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:34 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 13:35 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-06 09:16 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2015-05-05 16:38 +0100
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-05-05 10:51 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 10:59 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-05-05 14:17 -0500
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:27 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-05-05 19:18 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-06 09:03 +1200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-05 23:16 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 19:02 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-05-06 09:14 +0200
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-05-06 07:35 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-05 20:32 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-04 07:54 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-05 03:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-05-01 06:13 -0400
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-05-01 10:25 +0000
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-05-02 00:19 -0700
                Re: GIMP vs the Photoshop nay-sayers Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-02 15:45 +1200
        Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 18:19 +0200
          Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 14:10 -0400
            Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 20:19 +0200
              Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-25 16:41 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 23:08 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 17:25 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-25 22:04 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-26 00:14 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-26 13:11 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 09:25 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 07:36 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 10:47 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 08:00 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-04-26 15:10 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-04-26 22:39 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 18:34 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-04-27 02:39 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 21:39 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:51 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:51 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 22:01 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 22:16 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 17:20 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 13:36 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 06:54 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 10:24 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-27 20:05 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-26 21:57 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-27 17:18 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 06:29 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2015-04-27 11:14 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-26 21:49 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 13:00 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 22:08 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-04-28 01:56 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-27 23:48 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-28 06:32 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:20 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-04-30 11:43 -0500
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 18:56 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 19:10 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-28 11:49 -0500
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 00:12 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-28 19:45 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 06:58 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-29 12:29 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 17:42 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-28 04:14 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-04-28 14:53 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-28 19:17 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 10:58 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 08:58 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-28 00:14 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 10:08 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-28 09:25 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:45 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-30 11:12 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:38 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-04-30 10:36 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-30 13:53 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-30 18:55 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Alan Baker <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-30 11:11 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-05-01 06:58 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 00:07 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-05-01 00:16 -0400
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-05-01 16:32 +1200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-01 05:34 +0000
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 11:01 -0700
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-28 10:17 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-28 11:02 -0700
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-27 13:33 +0000
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 10:23 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Roger <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-27 21:01 +0100
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-27 22:05 +0200
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 20:50 +0000
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                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2015-04-30 12:50 -0400
                Re: The Best Linux Distros for First Time Switchers from Windows and Mac Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-30 19:06 +0200
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