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Odd Bodkin wrote:

> On 11/30/2016 3:43 PM, HGW wrote:
>> A postulate is neither evidence nor a cause. The cause of Einstein's
>> postulated source independence was quite clearly the aether of Lorentz.
> 
> So clear that Einstein disavowed the aether explicitly.

That is so much exaggerated as to be wrong.  In fact, the record shows that 
Einstein never “disavowed” the aether idea as such, and that general 
relativity even rekindled his belief in the existence of an aether inasfar 
as that he thought that the curved spacetime could be it.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#Einstein.27s_views_on_the_aether>

>> In fact the only difference between SR and Poincare's upgrade was that
>> Einstein replaced the aether's vital function with a postulate and
>> therefore had no need to mention it at all.
> 
> Oh, he mentioned it. He said it was ruled out.

No, he said essentially that even the best experiments could not detect it 
until then (with non-contradictory results), and that therefore he will 
proceed in his paper without assuming that it exists.  (With which he got 
the same as and better results than Lorentz.)

,-<https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/>
|  
| […]
| 
| Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to discover 
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| any motion of the earth relatively to the “light medium,” suggest that the 
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
IOW: the “luminiferous (a)ether” -----------'

| phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no properties 
| corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.  They suggest rather that, as 
| has already been shown to the first order of small quantities, the same 
| laws of electrodynamics and optics will be valid for all frames of 
| reference for which the equations of mechanics hold good. We will raise
| this conjecture ([…] the “Principle of Relativity”) to the status of a 
       ^^^^^^^^^^
| postulate, and also introduce another postulate, […] namely, that light is 
| always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is 
| independent of the state of motion of the emitting body.

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          Re: Lorentz transformations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-11-29 19:07 +0100
        Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-30 05:04 +1100
          Re: Lorentz transformations Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-29 10:29 -0800
            Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-29 21:03 +0000
              Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-01 03:41 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 11:17 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 08:44 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-30 22:08 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 21:07 +1100
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                Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-03 05:29 +1100
          Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 12:36 -0600
            Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-01 02:56 +1100
              Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 10:36 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 08:43 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 20:54 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 10:41 -0600
                Re: Lorentz transformations "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-01 09:11 -0800
                Re: Lorentz transformations Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-01 15:10 +0100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-01 21:05 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-01 15:51 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-02 05:44 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:21 -0600
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                Re: Lorentz transformations benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-03 21:21 -0500
                Re: Lorentz transformations HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-05 06:41 +1100
                Re: Lorentz transformations moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-05 01:14 +0000
                Re: Lorentz transformations Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:23 -0600

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