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Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂

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Wally W.  wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:56:52 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
>>> […]  Are you one of the nut cases who believes the propaganda
>>> that CO2 rises first and then temperature rises because of it?
>>> 
>>> If you are then you are misinformed because that's not what
>>> happens. Ice core samples prove that FIRST the temperature
>>> increases and then it is FOLLOWED by increased levels of
>>> atmospheric CO2.
>>
>>That is an extraordinary claim.
> 
> How so?

There has to be a reason why the atmospheric temperature rises.  So, what do 
you think is the reason?  Denial is not enough in science; you have to come 
with a *sound* *alternative* theory in order to be taken seriously.
 
> It is merely contrary to a greenie mantra.

No, it is an unfounded assertion based on spurious interpretation of 
incomplete data, as is shown below.
 
> And it is a fact.

Cite evidence.
 
>>Extraordinary claims
>>require extraordinary evivence.  Cite that evidence.
> 
> http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core-graph/
> After temperatures rise, on average it takes 800 years before carbon
> starts to move.

The *alleged* data for the Vostok ice core temperatures (just *one* specimen 
to explain it all?) in the top graph starts *before* the data for carbon 
dioxide.  It is still possible that CO₂ data not included in the graph 
explains the rising temperature.

These are the composite data for Vostok Dome C:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core#/media/File:Co2_glacial_cycles_800k.png>

And assuming that would not be so, what is then the *reason* for the 
*observable* rise of atmospheric temperature, particularly the one since the 
rise of the Homo sapiens ca. 50'000 years ago, and the extreme one since 
humanity’s industrial age (which is conveniently left out in the graphs as 
they end at 300'000 years ago)?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#/media/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#/media/File:TrendsGlobalEmissions.png>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#/media/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png>

The greenhouse effect is a scientific *fact* (most prominently observed on 
Venus, and the opposite of it on Mars) not disputed even by those who deny 
global warming: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect>

>>F'up2 sci.physics
> 
> Global warming bullshit is not physics. It is propaganda.

Spoken like a true propagandist and Usenet troll; not like a scientist.

Of the newsgroups crossposted to, sci.physics is the most fitting one in the 
Big 8 (I do not read alt.ALL if I can avoid it).  Actually, though, this 
belongs in sci.geo.ALL; unfortunately, that hierarchy does not have a .misc; 
that leaves only sci.misc.

BTW, your newsreader is either misconfigured or broken.  There was a 
properly encoded subscript 2 (for “CO₂”) in the Subject header field 
value and your newsreader mangled it.  I have restored it now; please
do not mangle it again.

F'up2 sci.misc

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Uh-oh, spaghettio kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-18 12:19 -0400
  Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_master.fake> - 2016-06-18 12:57 -0400
    Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-06-18 17:58 +0000
      Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 14:15 -0400
      Leave It To a Denierrrrr... AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> - 2016-06-18 17:01 -0500
      Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-20 11:23 -0500
    Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-18 19:34 +0000
    Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂ (was: Uh-oh, spaghettio) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-20 10:57 +0200
      Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂ Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-20 10:49 -0500
    Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO? (was: Uh-oh, spaghettio) Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-20 08:46 -0400
      Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-20 15:43 +0200
        Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO? Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-20 20:41 -0400
        Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO? Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-20 20:53 -0400
          Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-21 11:25 +0200
    Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO2 (was: Uh-oh, spaghettio) AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> - 2016-06-20 16:51 -0500
      Re: Greenhouse effect: Influence of atmospheric CO₂ Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-06-21 00:57 +0200
  Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus, DoW #1" <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-06-19 06:46 +0200
    Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-19 20:47 +0000
      Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus, DoW #1" <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-06-20 07:07 +0200
        Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-21 01:22 +0000
          Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus, DoW #1" <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-06-21 05:37 +0200
            Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-21 20:51 +0000
              Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio "Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus, DoW #1" <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-06-22 05:35 +0200
              Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-06-22 06:40 -0400
  Re: Uh-oh, spaghettio Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2016-06-21 06:05 -0400

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