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Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy??

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Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:42:49 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:
>> Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>> > You've even admitted so without
>> > realizing it:
>> > 
>> > 1. You can't make a claim about sufficiency either way if you don't
>> > care about using a proper level of abstraction. I could name every
>> > variable with a single letter and get by. For example, look at
>> > Mentifakes code. This is a non-argument.
>> Fallacy: Slippery slope.
> 
> Missapplied categorization.
> 
> You've defined "sufficient" as a function of not caring or as a property
> of some alternative language. This is not even wrong [1]

Nonsense.  What is deemed “sufficient” obviously means different things for 
different people.

>> > 2. If you're using a superset or an alternative language for your
>> > medium of expression then you've admitted an insufficiency.
>> 
>> Fallacy: Affirming the antecedent.
> 
> Modus Ponens is an inference rule, not a fallacy. You stated the
> proposition, I stated the implication.

This was not /modus ponens/.
 
>> > Either your language can represent and enforce your domain or
>> > discourse, or it can't.
>> Fallacy: False dilemma.
> 
> You can't be half pregnant nor half stupid. If you think this is not a
> binary choice, present another.

Something can be satisfactory or sufficient (the two words are synonymous) 
in one aspect, but not in another; and it is also possible that it can be 
that for one person, but not another.
  
>> > Also, since when is Dart an ECMAScript implementation?
>> 
>> Apparently it is not, and the author of the cited article has confused
>> the fact that it is also an Ecma standard with the idea that it were also
>> an ECMAScript implementation.
>> 
>> <https://dart.dev/guides/language/specifications/DartLangSpec-v2.2.pdf>
> 
> ...and you did not do your due diligence before using it as reference.

I said “apparently”.

> Given your anal-retentiveness on the topic

In addition to that I take exception to your characterization,
I strongly recommend that you update your knowledge about psychology.

>> > Type conversion and dynamic checking is irrelevant.
>> 
>> No, it is not.  First of all, I said “*implicit* type conversion”; and
>> second, in many cases these two features *are* sufficient to implement
>> an algorithm.
> 
> This is still irrelevant to the topic of Hungarian Notation.

A solution that *you* introduced to the discussion.  There is no requirement 
for Hungarian notation.

> An algorithm has nothing to do with it,

Yes, it does.

> and a type system is also directly irrelevant to that.

No, it is not.  In fact, there is a greater variety of algorithms that can 
be implemented, and a greater flexibility and ease in implementing 
algorithms, if the implementation is not required to satisfy a more rigid 
type system.

That is one reason why, for example, C++ introduced template classes, why 
J2SE 5.0+ finally has generics, and why they were added to C# and VB .NET a 
year later.
 
>> > You have information encoded inside of a variable name.
>> 
>> In a well-written program you have *always* information “encoded [_in_]
>> […]
>> a variable [_identifier_]”.  That is the *purpose* of a variable
>> identifier.
> 
> Bonus points for misunderstanding Hungarian Notation and the point I made.

Unfortunately, it turns out that your introduction of Hungarian notation 
into the discussion was basically a red herring to push your false dichotomy 
down people’s throats.  And I do not bite. 

> [tl;dr]
 
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Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-20 12:53 -0700
  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2019-07-21 15:15 +1000
  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-22 03:07 -0700
  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Martin Honnen <martin.honnen@gmx.de> - 2019-07-22 16:20 +0200
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-30 08:20 -0700
  Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-30 18:24 -0700
    Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-31 04:14 -0700
      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-07-31 05:32 -0700
        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-07-31 18:22 +0200
          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 02:37 -0700
            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-02 13:38 +0200
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 05:59 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-02 17:55 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:57 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 06:11 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:44 +0200
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:10 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-08-03 08:59 +0200
                OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 05:18 -0700
                Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-03 15:27 +0200
                Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 09:28 -0700
                Re: OT: Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2019-08-04 12:32 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:30 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-04 15:31 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-05 13:48 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-05 16:51 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-07 01:42 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-07 01:47 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-08 20:56 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-08 13:16 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-08-08 23:57 -0600
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-09 12:48 +0200
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-08-05 18:46 +0100
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-06 03:39 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-05 17:30 -0700
            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 15:05 -0700
      Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-07-31 18:58 -0700
        Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-02 05:01 -0700
          Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-02 16:07 -0700
            Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-08-03 08:19 -0700
              Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2019-08-03 18:42 -0700
                Re: Firefox changed IFRAME behaviour - I need a remedy?? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-08-04 11:27 +0200

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