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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity

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mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:

> W dniu sobota, 3 grudnia 2016 20:22:03 UTC+1 użytkownik Thomas
> 'PointedEars' Lahn napisał:
> 
>> “Moving clocks tick slower than those at rest.”, BUT: “Clocks moving
>> *relative to* the observer *are observed by them* to tick *slower than*
>> those not moving *relative to* the observer”.)

This originally started with “So NOT: …”

You have shortened the quotation of my text to make it look like nonsense.  
Typical.
 
> And an observer walking a street observes
> trees and buildings running around him.

If you replace “walking” with “sitting in a car”, and “trees and buildings” 
with observable things that actually could move relative to the ground, you 
will realize that if the observer cannot realize that the car they are 
sitting in is moving relative to the ground, they could just as well assume 
that the things they observe outside the car are moving relative to the 
ground instead.

A better example of this, which is not just a gedankenexperiment¹, but is 
from real life, are two trains halting next to each other at a train 
station.²  If the trains were constructed so that they accelerate very 
slowly and "softly", several times I had a hard time figuring out, without 
looking at the platform, whether the other train had started leaving the 
station, the train I was sitting in, or both.  All I could tell with 
certainty was that the trains were moving *relative to each other*.  Which 
one was moving *relative to the station* was particularly hard to determine 
at dawn or night, where from inside the illuminated train you could not see 
well the platform on the other side of either train, the lights being 
reflected in the windows.

> Relativistic moron imagined!
> Relativistic moron simply can't be wrong.

I hope for you that will get the chance to observe in your lifetime a 
situation as I described above, so that you will finally realize that the 
principle of relativity is one of the foundations of, but not limited to, 
the theories of relativity, nor merely a theoretical construct, and as a 
result how stupid *you* have acted in public all these years.

________
¹ Thought experiment.  It is agreeable for me to find so many terms from my 
  native language in scientific English, which of course originated from
  several German(-speaking) scholars.
² Maybe it is not mere coincidence that Einstein used trains in his thought
  experiments.
-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 20:29 -0600
  Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 04:00 -0800
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 09:38 -0600
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 11:53 -0800
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:58 -0600
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 22:46 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-02 04:31 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 22:59 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 23:16 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 10:00 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 23:18 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 08:48 -0600
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 02:49 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-02 14:46 +0100
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 08:50 -0600
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-03 10:07 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 20:22 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 11:32 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 21:17 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 01:38 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 16:00 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-05 23:43 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:01 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-09 02:48 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-14 16:32 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 03:09 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-15 03:36 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 03:58 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 04:24 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-03 12:07 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 02:20 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 18:48 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 10:18 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 10:34 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 20:07 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 11:29 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:42 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:49 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:46 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 21:09 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Wilda Bolander <WdaaddoiBleld@WdaaddoiBleld.Wda> - 2016-12-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-05 15:13 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Chantell Dillingham <lntliiDtilnigDlnii@lntliiDtilnigDlnii.lnt> - 2016-12-05 14:17 +0000
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-06 13:04 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:25 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:27 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 13:06 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 21:26 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 23:29 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 23:35 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 10:04 -0600
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 23:16 -0600

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