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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity

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worlov@yandex.ru wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please post here using your real name.

> Am Samstag, 3. Dezember 2016 21:44:03 UTC+1 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars'
> Lahn:

It is called “attribution _line_”, not “attribution novel”.  Please trim 
your attributions to the relevant minimum, the name of the author or, *if 
that is not available*, the sender e-mail address.

>> worlov@yandex.ru wrote:
>> > [...] The right answer is: 29 times faster!
>> How did you get that idea?
> 
> CERN Muon Storage Ring had the diameter of 14m. If the experimenter would
> be in the middle, it is r = 7m. From there r/c = 23ns, which is negligibly
> small compared to 2.2μs or 64µs. Therefore we can ignore the effects
> caused by the light running time.

You are considerably confused, to say the least.

First of all, you have not said *which* muons you referred to in your 
question to me.  If you had cared to *read what I wrote*, I referred you to 
a *general* explanation of muon trails based on special relativity that 
refers to *atmospheric* muons instead: muons that are created when cosmic 
rays collide with molecules in Terra’s atmosphere.  And *for them*, at a 
measured total energy of ca. E_µ = 4 GeV, the answer γ_µ = 38 given there is 
approximately correct [from the basic equations of special relativity, which 
you had claimed to know, follows γ_µ = E_µ∕(m_µ c²)].

It is ridiculous of you to claim to have “the right answer” – as opposed to 
a “wrong” answer from me –, to *a question that you did not ask*.

Your logic is flawed in at least two other respects:

Because neither are muon measurements made at the center of a muon ring, nor 
is it correct – as you presumably attempted – to calculate the relative 
speed of a particle as r∕c, where r would be the radius of the ring.  You 
really need to *learn how the things work* that you are referring to, and 
some elementary mathematics (like that the circumference c of a circle is 
C = πd = 2πr, where d is its diameter and r is its radius) and physics (like 
that particles with mass m > 0, such as muons, cannot and do not travel at 
the speed of light, c), before you can have any hope of your statements 
making sense (in addition to that that you should *really* post [also] in a 
language that you are familiar with; the English text that you have posted 
here so far was mostly *gibberish*).

If you follow the references in the article that you have referred to 
in your OP, it is referring to an experiment at the “GSI Helmholtz Centre 
for heavy-ion research in Darmstadt, *Germany*” (emphasis mine):

<http://www.nature.com/news/special-relativity-aces-time-trial-1.15970>

(as referred by <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/einsteins-time-dilation-prediction-verified/>,
which you referred to in <news:872b50e2-80c6-4846-
afbe-2a87f4c9e5e6@googlegroups.com>)

CERN is not anywhere near Germany; it is located near Geneva, on the French–
Swiss border, instead.  I have no idea to what statements and experiments 
you are referring to instead, but ISTM to be another straw man fallacy:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man>

> Through the radioactive decay of the pions the resulting muons saw that
> the experimenter had started his stopwatch at 0μs. When 2.2μs of their
> lives were over, they saw that the experimenter had stopped his stopwatch
> at 64μs. Hence they would have calculated: (64µs - 0µs)/2.2µs = 29.

Such a nonsense, it is not even wrong.

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Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 20:29 -0600
  Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 04:00 -0800
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 09:38 -0600
      Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 11:53 -0800
        Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-01 13:58 -0600
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-01 22:46 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-02 04:31 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 22:59 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 23:16 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 10:00 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 23:18 -0800
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 08:48 -0600
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 02:49 -0800
          Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-02 14:46 +0100
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 08:50 -0600
            Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-03 10:07 -0800
              Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 20:22 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 11:32 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 21:17 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 01:38 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 16:00 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-05 23:43 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 18:01 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-09 02:48 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-14 16:32 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 03:09 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-15 03:36 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 03:58 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-15 04:24 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-03 12:07 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 02:20 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 18:48 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 10:18 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 10:34 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 20:07 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 11:29 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:42 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:49 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 11:46 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-12-04 21:09 +0100
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                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-12-06 13:04 +0100
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:25 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 12:27 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-04 13:06 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 21:26 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 23:29 -0600
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity worlov@yandex.ru - 2016-12-04 23:35 -0800
                Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 10:04 -0600
    Re: The real time stretching in effect refutes the special relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 23:16 -0600

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