Re: Yay, faux meat!

Date	2026-07-05 22:30 -0600
From	squillage <yy@aba.et>
Newsgroups	rec.food.cooking, aus.politics, alt.food.vegan, alt.home.repair, fl.general, fl.politics
Subject	Re: Yay, faux meat!
Message-ID	<20260705223035.511ff3e7@z-z> (permalink)
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 18:33:28 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

> On 7/5/2026 5:38 PM, squillage wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:15:26 -0400
> > Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 7/5/2026 3:23 PM, squillage wrote:  
> >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 15:08:45 -0400
> >>> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>> On 7/5/2026 2:38 PM, squillage wrote:  
> >>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 11:11:47 -0400
> >>>>> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> >>>>>         
> >>>>>> You are making assumptions.  Yes, the weight remains the same,
> >>>>>> the shape will change, but, does it compress?  If so,
> >>>>>> displacement is changed and reduced.  
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, changing shape does nto alter volume.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are denying fully vetted and accepted reality.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bad play.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "AI Overview
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, pounding meat out does not reduce its
> >>>>> volume.
> >>>>> Because volume is the measure of the actual space the meat
> >>>>> occupies, flattening it simply displaces the mass into a wider,
> >>>>> thinner shape.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The meat remains the same weight, density, and volume—it just
> >>>>> covers more surface area."
> >>>>>         
> >>>>
> >>>> While that is mostly true, there is no mention of compression.  
> >>>
> >>> What do you think "flattening" is?
> >>>      
> >>>> That
> >>>> changes displacement.  
> >>>
> >>> No it doesn't.
> >>>      
> >>>> Pound a loaf of bread and see if it is the same volume.  
> >>>
> >>> Bread is heavily composed of air.
> >>>
> >>> AI Overview
> >>>
> >>> "No, a flattened loaf does not have
> >>> the same volume. Because bread is a porous, air-filled structure,
> >>> flattening it compresses the gas pockets, which reduces its
> >>> overall volume and makes it denser."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Meat is not an "air-filled structure", now is it?
> >>>
> >>> No gas pockets either.
> >>>
> >>> Are you a total idiot, or just playing one here?
> >>>      
> >>
> >> I guess you never had a physics course
> >> AI Overview:
> >> Yes, meat is fundamentally a cellular food. Meat consists of muscle
> >> fibers, fat cells, and connective tissues, which are all composed
> >> of animal cells.Conventional Meat: Derived from the muscles and
> >> tissues of animals, which are complex structures of
> >> cells.Cultivated (Lab-Grown) Meat: A form of "cellular
> >> agriculture" where meat is produced by cultivating animal cells
> >> directly in a controlled environment, such as a bioreactor. These
> >> cells are then harvested and, in some cases, grown on edible
> >> scaffolding to mimic the structure of conventional muscle tissues  
> > 
> > Air = missing.
> > 
> > Gas= missing.
> > 
> > Your brain = missing.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> Your education = missing
> 
>   at a macroscopic level, it acts like a compressible sponge because
> it contains pockets of trapped air and distinct structural fibers.

All retained intact, not liberated of gas or air.


> The Sponge Effect: Although the fluid inside cannot be compressed, it
> is stored within a network of protein chains, fat, and connective
> tissue. This matrix contains microscopic air pockets. When you apply
> pressure (like resting a heavy cast-iron skillet on a steak or
> vacuum-sealing it), you compress these air pockets, reshaping the
> meat and forcing out the juices

Oddly this simply does NOT happen.

Go argue with AI, dolthead:

AI Overview                 

Pounding meat does not inherently make it
lose its internal moisture. 

In fact, by breaking down tough muscle
fibers and flattening the meat to ensure it cooks evenly, it actually
helps the meat stay much juicier by preventing the edges from
overcooking while the thicker parts finish.

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                Re: Yay, faux meat! T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:53 -0700
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-02 23:04 -0400
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-03 09:22 -0600
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 14:35 +1000
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 10:49 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 03:51 +1000
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-04 13:54 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 10:19 +1000
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 06:12 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 08:44 -0400
                Re: Yay, faux meat! squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 09:02 -0600
                Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 11:11 -0400
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                Re: Yay, faux meat! Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 18:33 -0400
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