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Re: Yay, faux meat!

From Ed P <esp@snet.n>
Newsgroups rec.food.cooking, aus.politics, alt.food.vegan, alt.home.repair, fl.general, fl.politics
Subject Re: Yay, faux meat!
Date 2026-07-05 18:33 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <112em3o$1g7k2$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 7/5/2026 5:38 PM, squillage wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:15:26 -0400
> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/5/2026 3:23 PM, squillage wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 15:08:45 -0400
>>> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>>    
>>>> On 7/5/2026 2:38 PM, squillage wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 11:11:47 -0400
>>>>> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>> You are making assumptions.  Yes, the weight remains the same,
>>>>>> the shape will change, but, does it compress?  If so,
>>>>>> displacement is changed and reduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, changing shape does nto alter volume.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are denying fully vetted and accepted reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad play.
>>>>>
>>>>> "AI Overview
>>>>>
>>>>> No, pounding meat out does not reduce its
>>>>> volume.
>>>>> Because volume is the measure of the actual space the meat
>>>>> occupies, flattening it simply displaces the mass into a wider,
>>>>> thinner shape.
>>>>>
>>>>> The meat remains the same weight, density, and volume—it just
>>>>> covers more surface area."
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> While that is mostly true, there is no mention of compression.
>>>
>>> What do you think "flattening" is?
>>>    
>>>> That
>>>> changes displacement.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't.
>>>    
>>>> Pound a loaf of bread and see if it is the same volume.
>>>
>>> Bread is heavily composed of air.
>>>
>>> AI Overview
>>>
>>> "No, a flattened loaf does not have
>>> the same volume. Because bread is a porous, air-filled structure,
>>> flattening it compresses the gas pockets, which reduces its overall
>>> volume and makes it denser."
>>>
>>>
>>> Meat is not an "air-filled structure", now is it?
>>>
>>> No gas pockets either.
>>>
>>> Are you a total idiot, or just playing one here?
>>>    
>>
>> I guess you never had a physics course
>> AI Overview:
>> Yes, meat is fundamentally a cellular food. Meat consists of muscle
>> fibers, fat cells, and connective tissues, which are all composed of
>> animal cells.Conventional Meat: Derived from the muscles and tissues
>> of animals, which are complex structures of cells.Cultivated
>> (Lab-Grown) Meat: A form of "cellular agriculture" where meat is
>> produced by cultivating animal cells directly in a controlled
>> environment, such as a bioreactor. These cells are then harvested
>> and, in some cases, grown on edible scaffolding to mimic the
>> structure of conventional muscle tissues
> 
> Air = missing.
> 
> Gas= missing.
> 
> Your brain = missing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Your education = missing

  at a macroscopic level, it acts like a compressible sponge because it 
contains pockets of trapped air and distinct structural fibers.


The Sponge Effect: Although the fluid inside cannot be compressed, it is 
stored within a network of protein chains, fat, and connective tissue. 
This matrix contains microscopic air pockets. When you apply pressure 
(like resting a heavy cast-iron skillet on a steak or vacuum-sealing 
it), you compress these air pockets, reshaping the meat and forcing out 
the juices

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