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Re: Turing computable functions

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
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Subject Re: Turing computable functions
Date 2025-09-22 05:31 +0000
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On 2025-09-22, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/21/25 6:59 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> The paradox is not the form, but the inability to pin a truth
>> value on the sentence.
>
> just like the inability to pin the truth on the semantics
> of paradoxical programs ...... hello??? anyone there???

What are the specifics? Which truths are you having trouble
pinning down: what propositions revolving around what paradoxical
programs?

>> 
>>> liar's paradox (expanded): /ask decider if this sentence is true, and if
>>> /so then it is false, but if not then it is true.
>>>
>>> halting paradox: ask decider /if this programs halts, and if so then do
>>> /run forever, but if not then do halts.
>> 
>> That is not /literally/ the same form. You've massaged into a
>> similar form.
>> 
>> A diagonal instance of the halting question does not present any
>> difficulty pinning down the truth value of any of its constituent
>> propositions.
>
> you remember in school when they would give word problems in math that 
> contained unnecessary info? i never understood why they did that ... but
> when i read the diagonal form of the halting problem i start to
> understand how much a skill that is because the diagonal form is just
> an exercise of computability theorists jerking themselves off to
> make this as logically indirect as possible to solve things that
> were never a problem in the first place.

The whole diagonal thing is incredibly compact and easy to follow.

You can see the truth just with two trivial deciders one of which
just returns 0 and the other 1.

There is no need to actually construct complicated halting deciders
and show that they don't work.

Honestly, it's one of the easiest topics in computing to grok.

It also might be a good way to introduce diagonalization, and then use
it for other things, like that the real numbers are uncountable.

Halting proofs are Diagonalization Lite (tm).

> (i'm not criticizing turing's use a diagonal mind you, he was
> considering the infinite sequence of infinitely long computable numbers
> so that's a different issue)
>
> anyways with the diagonal form is it's confused you into what it's
> doing and you're just failing to it for what it is:
>
> still a fucking /decision paradox/ that involves an inability to pin
> down the correct halting semantics of some (program, input) tuple in
> the diagonal.

The only thing that is not able pin down the semantics is that specific
decider in the specific diagonal case, not us who are going through the
steps of the proof. We can see what the correct answer is for the
trivial examples we trace.
the correct answer is (i.e. pin down the halting semantics).

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
>
> look at e(), it's defined, like any decision paradox, to do the
> opposite of f(i,i)
>
> *all halting undecidability proofs involve a decision paradox*

Sure; it's just not a logical paradox.

> because it it's core, deciders have been refuted because of the
> problematic ability to express decision paradoxes with them
> /and that is a problem/ but we don't need to toss out the baby
> with the bathwater to fix it.

That is unclear. The diagonal test cases are all bona fide Turing
Machines; if for each decider, one of those is excluded from the
correctly decided set, then we don't have halting being totally
computable.

>> There is no /logical/ paradox there comparable to Liar.
>> 
>> It is fair to say that it's an informal paradox, since it involves
>> a bit of cleverness and self-reference.
>> 
>>> exactly does that undermine about ur understanding that makes you not
>>> want to call it a paradox?
>> 
>> It confuses daft people to do so, so it is harmful.
>
> it confuses people??? so your avoiding just calling a paradox a paradox 
> because it might be confusing???

No, those people get confused by believing that it's a logical paradox
when that isn't the case.

If we are discussing serious botany, we must call tomatoes fruits,
and not vegetables.

> what in the fucking fuck? if ur actually peddling real truth, then why 
> in the fuck are you worried about /confusing/ people???

If you want to peddle nothing but truth, don't call things logical paradoxes
that don't have any such logical issue.

>> Not everything that is set up to be simply false is a paradox!
>> 
>> It's not a paradox that "P and not P" is false.
>
> it's a paradox when P => ~P, while also ~P => P

Sure; but that's also not a logical paradox. That's a paradox in
the sense of "something appearing counterintuitive, but is actually
true".

> halts(und) -> false implies und halts
> halts(und) -> true implies und runs forever
>
> the fact you can't admit this is a fucking paradox is just ungodly

I did clearly admit that it's a paradox, just that it's not a logical
paradox which suffers from anything resembling the issue in the Liar
Paradox.

>>> the liar's paradox is the same damn thing. if you try to assign it to
>>> the set of true sentences it becomes a false sentence. but if you try to
>>> assign it to the set of false sentences it becomes a true sentence.
>>> WAKE UP AND SMELL THE PARADOX
>> 
>> A big difference is that you are not changing the Liar Paradox
>> sentence. Your inability to assign it to one set or the other occurs
>> in spite of it being that one sentence. You cannot pin down its truth
>> value at all.
>> 
>> In every diagonal pair <Hi, Di>, for some i, Hi is readily classified as
>> a decider which gets the wrong answer for Di. (Or possibly does not
>> terminate at all for that input.) "Hi decided Di wrong" is a pinned
>> down truth value.
>
> i have no idea wtf ur going on about.

But you are sure it's wrong.

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                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 18:46 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:17 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:03 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:07 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 16:36 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:18 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 15:12 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 14:23 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:36 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:33 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 07:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 23:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 04:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:44 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 17:04 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:46 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 08:04 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 18:50 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:29 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 09:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:24 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 12:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:22 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:30 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:29 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:52 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:31 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:33 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:57 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:49 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:09 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:03 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:05 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:06 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:14 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:15 -0700
                church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:22 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:40 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:51 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:23 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:42 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked --- LLM system review olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:02 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:08 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:25 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 00:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:20 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:04 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 14:44 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:42 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:10 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:33 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:00 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:41 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:39 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:19 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 18:17 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:43 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 13:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:41 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:49 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:27 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:36 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:43 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:18 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:37 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:25 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:47 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:17 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:27 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:47 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:07 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:00 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:15 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:48 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:15 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:21 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:38 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:50 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 03:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:40 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-27 08:59 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:30 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:18 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:17 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:32 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-23 20:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 17:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 22:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:08 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:21 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:33 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:23 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:16 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:53 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 16:59 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:40 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:20 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:13 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:45 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:49 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:35 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:54 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 19:45 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:11 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:29 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:33 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:44 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 18:23 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 19:46 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 15:05 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 16:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 22:19 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-25 18:04 -0600
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 23:16 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-26 04:36 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 21:46 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:08 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 03:22 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:13 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:33 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:14 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:19 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:22 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:52 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 06:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 07:35 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 08:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 14:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 15:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 11:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 19:05 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:28 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:09 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:13 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:31 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:40 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:34 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:26 -0700
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