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Re: Turing computable functions

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory
Subject Re: Turing computable functions
Date 2025-09-22 01:59 +0000
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On 2025-09-22, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/21/25 11:52 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> On 2025-09-21, dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 9/21/25 8:39 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> What do you mean by "paradox"? Do you mean formal logical paradox,
>>>> referring to a situation in which we cannot assign a stable truth value
>>>> due to some circularity?
>>>
>>> yes
>>>
>>> und = () -> halts(und) ? loop_forever() : halt
>>>
>>> if halts(und)->true then und() loops forever, but
>>> if halts(und)->false then und() halts immediately
>>>
>>> it's an expression involving an unstable value, and that's precisely
>>> where the undecidability comes in. this absolutely bizarre claims of
>>> this not being a paradox are just absolutely mind-numbingly retarded
>> 
>> It's not a logical paradox similar to the Liar Paradox.
>
> holy shit, yes its literally the same form:

> liar's paradox: /this sentence is false

The paradox is not the form, but the inability to pin a truth
value on the sentence.

> liar's paradox (expanded): /ask decider if this sentence is true, and if
> /so then it is false, but if not then it is true.
>
> halting paradox: ask decider /if this programs halts, and if so then do
> /run forever, but if not then do halts.

That is not /literally/ the same form. You've massaged into a
similar form.

A diagonal instance of the halting question does not present any
difficulty pinning down the truth value of any of its constituent
propositions.

There is no /logical/ paradox there comparable to Liar.

It is fair to say that it's an informal paradox, since it involves
a bit of cleverness and self-reference.

> exactly does that undermine about ur understanding that makes you not 
> want to call it a paradox?

It confuses daft people to do so, so it is harmful.

A certain Peter Olcott wasted 20 years of his life due to believing that
the diagonal trick used in the halting proofs is an instance of
"pathological self-reference" that is exactly like the liar paradox.

That's why we must be extra vehement to deny this nonsense.

The diagonal test case pattern in the halting problem does
not generate logical contradictions, where logical terms cannot be
evaluated due to a truth value due to infinite regress.

> it's literally an expression of logic that 
> has an unstable set assignment: ei if u try to assign it to the set of 
> halting problems it then should be categorized as not halting, and vise 
> versa.

Any diagonal instance consists of a specific <H, D> pair: the decider H,
and the diagonal program crafted against it.  Nothing in consideration
of that pair has an unsettled truth value, like that of the Liar Paradox
sentence.

That every such <Hi, Di> pair has Hi(Di) being an incorrect decision
isn't a paradox.

Not everything that is set up to be simply false is a paradox!

It's not a paradox that "P and not P" is false.

It's not a paradox that when you turn the crankshaft of an internal
combustion engine, you cannot get a valve to crash againt a piston, even
if they protrude into the same space at different times.

There is a "timing belt" linking H and D. D has cam shaft followers
that cause it to stay out of the way of H.

(How can it be a paradox if we can use car analogies easily?)

> i call it a self-referential set-classification paradox,
> or more briefly a decision paradox. /cause that is what it is

I don't have a problem; if you would kindly exlpain to Olcott that that
is not the same as a logical paradox, that would be of great service.

> the liar's paradox is the same damn thing. if you try to assign it to 
> the set of true sentences it becomes a false sentence. but if you try to 
> assign it to the set of false sentences it becomes a true sentence.
> WAKE UP AND SMELL THE PARADOX

A big difference is that you are not changing the Liar Paradox
sentence. Your inability to assign it to one set or the other occurs
in spite of it being that one sentence. You cannot pin down its truth
value at all.

In every diagonal pair <Hi, Di>, for some i, Hi is readily classified as
a decider which gets the wrong answer for Di. (Or possibly does not
terminate at all for that input.) "Hi decided Di wrong" is a pinned
down truth value.

The "inability" is only that if you stay on the diagonal, you cannot
find any Hi that correctly decides the corresponding Di.

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on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-18 21:30 +0000
  Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-18 16:52 -0500
    Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-18 22:02 +0000
      Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-18 17:11 -0500
        Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:19 +0000
          Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 13:24 -0500
            Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:35 +0000
              Re: on deciding the undecidable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 13:47 -0500
                Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:53 +0000
            Re: on deciding the undecidable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 19:14 +0000
              Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 19:22 +0000
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          Re: on deciding the undecidable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-19 18:51 +0000
            Re: on deciding the undecidable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 19:03 +0000
              Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 14:57 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 15:23 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:41 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:46 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-19 20:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-19 22:55 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:28 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 15:39 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-21 17:12 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 21:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 18:52 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 01:59 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-21 09:36 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:33 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-21 06:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 07:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 21:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 23:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-22 04:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:44 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 17:04 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:46 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 08:04 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 18:50 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:29 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 23:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:53 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 09:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:24 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 12:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:22 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:30 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:34 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 13:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:29 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:52 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:10 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:31 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:33 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 19:57 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:49 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 21:06 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:09 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:03 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:05 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:06 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 20:19 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:14 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:15 -0700
                church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:22 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:40 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:51 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:23 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:42 -0700
                Re: church-turing thesis debunked --- LLM system review olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:02 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:08 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:25 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 23:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 00:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:18 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:20 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:04 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 14:44 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:07 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:12 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:42 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:45 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:10 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:33 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:00 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:41 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:39 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:49 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- BAD FAITH Dishonest Dialogue olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 15:19 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 21:51 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 18:17 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 06:43 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-24 13:57 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:41 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:49 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:27 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:36 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 16:43 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 10:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 11:18 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 17:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:37 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:25 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:47 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:17 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:27 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:30 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:47 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 13:51 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:07 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:09 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:00 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:15 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:20 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:48 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:57 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:15 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:21 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:38 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 17:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 23:54 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:12 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:50 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:11 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 03:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:40 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-09-27 08:59 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:38 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:30 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- CHEATER Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-09-23 10:08 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 10:10 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:18 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-23 19:17 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 14:32 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-23 20:32 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 17:01 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-09-23 22:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 06:08 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:21 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:33 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:23 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-09-24 09:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:03 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:16 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 09:43 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 15:53 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 16:59 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 12:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 17:40 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:05 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:20 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:28 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 20:51 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:13 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:24 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:45 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:49 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:04 -0700
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 22:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 21:33 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:35 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 19:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 00:54 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 19:45 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 20:58 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:11 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:14 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:29 +0800
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:33 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 21:44 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:57 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:11 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:14 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:18 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:29 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:35 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:42 -0600
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:05 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 19:46 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 15:52 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 22:19 +0000
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 23:16 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:08 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 03:22 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:13 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:51 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 10:14 -0500
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 15:55 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:19 +0100
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                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:15 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 06:04 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 07:35 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 14:14 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 08:42 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:05 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 14:44 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 09:46 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 15:24 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 11:51 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-25 19:05 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 16:28 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-25 04:09 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-09-25 05:06 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions --- Dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:13 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:31 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:36 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:40 -0400
                Re: Turing computable functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:58 +0100
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:28 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 15:34 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-09-24 20:54 +0000
                Re: Turing computable functions olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 16:16 -0500
                Re: Turing computable functions "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 14:26 -0700
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