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Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching."

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching."
Date 2025-09-04 02:30 +0000
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On 2025-09-04, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>>Am 04.09.2025 um 00:20 schrieb Pierre:
>>> In comp.lang.c Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching."
>>>>
>>>> "The Rust believers are not going to be happy with the answer to one
>>>> question."
>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEb_YL1K1Qg
>>>>
>>>> "At one point during the Q&A, his VPN fails. GlobalProtect. No further
>>>> comment."
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I liked his reply to the question about the current state of software
>>> today:
>>> 
>>> "A lot of it sucks!  Unfortunately, it's all too true."
>>
>>Yes, and a large part of it because it is written in C.
>
> Nonsense.
>
> It sucks due to design, not implementation.

The concepts of "design" and "implementation" are tidy abstractions in the
study of software engineering.

IN the practice of software engineering they are not separable.

For instance, a development situation may take it for granted that a
certain tech stack will be used. That the informs some of the content of
the design.

Perhaps not the highest levels (e.g. use cases like "user deposits money
via ATM") but once you get into detail, designs are become thoroughly
soaked in implementation concepts.

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"Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching." Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-01 23:39 -0500
  Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching." Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 20:34 -0500
    Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching." Pierre <null@void.net> - 2025-09-04 00:04 +0000
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