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Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching."

From Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: "Brian Kernigan speaks. 83 and still teaching."
Date 2025-09-05 00:36 +0300
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <20250905003646.00005c49@yahoo.com> (permalink)
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 18:33:11 +0200
🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:

> W dniu 4.09.2025 o 04:30, Kaz Kylheku pisze:
> >>>> I liked his reply to the question about the current state of
> >>>> software today:
> >>>>
> >>>> "A lot of it sucks!  Unfortunately, it's all too true."  
> >>> Yes, and a large part of it because it is written in C.  
> >> Nonsense.
> >>
> >> It sucks due to design, not implementation.  
> > The concepts of "design" and "implementation" are tidy abstractions
> > in the study of software engineering.
> > 
> > IN the practice of software engineering they are not separable.  
> 
> BS! Behind every genius prog. or tool is some brilliant idea. That is 
> the first step of design. All engineering art require detailed and
> aware design. If some body program in other way, then result can be
> one: piece of c* .
> 

Kaz is right.

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