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| From | Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++ |
| Subject | Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor |
| Date | 2023-11-15 21:26 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20231115122730.814@kylheku.com> (permalink) |
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On 2023-11-15, Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 11/13/2023 9:28 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2023 7:27 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-14, Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "as-if" and "according to the scheduling policy (if applicable)" here
>>>>> are important. The standard intent may be to permit only the threads
>>>>> that are "unblocked" contend for the mutex -- as opposed to all
>>>>> non-blocked threads.
>>>>
>>>> It's possible that only one thread is unblocked by a
>>>> pthread_cond_signal. It takes at least two parties to contend for
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A signalling thread does its thing while holding the mutex... Well, it
>>> hears the following playing in the background:
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY
>>
>> A condvar that cannot signal/broadcast from outside of a held mutex is
>> broken by default.
> It can, it's just that the desired scheduling policy cannot be
> *effectively* applied if a program signal outside of that mutex.
>
> E.g. in some scenario a higher-prio thread could stay indefinitely
> starved by the lower-prio thread, regardless of the thread library
> implementation.
I don't see what difference it can actually make, other than in
situations when a thread receives a priority boost while holding a
mutex.
Only one of these is true: (1) either the pthread_cond_signal and
pthread_cond_broadcast functions transfer threads from waiting on the
condition to waiting on the mutex, or (2) they don't: threads are woken,
and have to execute an operation equivalent to pthread_mutex_lock.
(Though there is no mutex argument in the API, the thread is waiting
with respect to a particular mutex. Each thread waiting on the same
condition could nominate a different mutex. So for each thread waiting
on a condition, we know which mutex it released in doing so and can
transfer it to wait on the mutex.)
If the pthread_cond_signal function transfers a thread from the
condition to the mutex according to (1), then everything is cool with
regard to scheduling.
Whether we have this:
pthread_mutex_unlock(&m);
pthread_cond_signal(&c);
...
// re-acquire
pthread_mutex_lock(&m);
or this:
pthread_cond_signal(&c);
pthread_mutex_unlock(&m);
...
// re-acquire
pthread_mutex_lock(&m);
the most important thing is that the waiting threads are already
transferred to waiting on the mutex, before the signaling thread call
tries to re-acquire the mutex.
I.e. the woken threads always reach the mutex wait first, regardless of
these two orders of operations on the part of the signaling thread.
On the other hand, if the pthread_cond_signal operation just wakes up
the threads, such that they themselves have to call the equivalent of
pthread_mutex_lock to reacquire the mutex, we do not gain any special
guarantees in one order or the other. Under either order of the
statements, the signaling thread can snatch the mutex away from the
signaled threads, when reaching the pthread_mutex_lock call,
even if it is a low priority thread and the others are high.
Now with real-time priorities and mutexes that prevent priority
inversion, we could have the following situation:
While a low-priority thread holds a mutex, it is temporarily boosted to
the highest priority from among the set of threads waiting for that
mutex.
There we have a difference between signaling inside or outside, the
reason being that when the thread leaves the mutex to signal outside, it
loses the temporary priority boost. That could lead to an undue delay in
signaling the condition.
The statement in the POSIX standard about predictable scheduling
behavior is like recommending sleep calls to for obtaining more
predictable behavior in a program riddled with race conditions.
If I'm an implementor reading that statement, I cannot infer any
concrete requirements about what it is that I'm supposed to do in
pthread_cond_signal to bring about more predictable scheduling.
Specifications should give specific requirements, not vague opinions.
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Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:51 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:33 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-13 04:50 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 22:05 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-14 03:30 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:35 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:26 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:11 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-15 23:07 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-16 06:39 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-16 21:48 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-17 16:29 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 10:22 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-17 18:37 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-18 00:45 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-18 02:30 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 11:11 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 07:35 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-13 15:05 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 16:36 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 17:24 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:48 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:29 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 16:44 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 14:16 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-13 04:48 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 14:32 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:27 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-14 15:12 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:35 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-13 21:58 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-14 03:27 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:28 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 21:29 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:47 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:18 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:20 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-15 21:26 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-16 00:25 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-14 20:42 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-28 15:32 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-12 19:17 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-09 05:17 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:18 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:19 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:20 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 23:51 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:10 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 15:32 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:35 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:17 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:22 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:27 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:29 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:31 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:34 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:36 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 06:40 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:42 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 07:32 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 22:54 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:01 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 23:03 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:30 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 21:32 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 14:59 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 19:49 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:49 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:37 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:40 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:39 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 13:41 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 05:36 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 20:41 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-08 18:16 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:07 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:11 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 10:17 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:22 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-09 01:23 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-10 13:56 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:08 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 15:15 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 02:59 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 12:44 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 04:53 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 20:09 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2023-11-11 04:25 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 07:07 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 16:39 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:42 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2023-11-11 17:49 -0500
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 05:40 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 12:46 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 23:13 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 10:04 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 01:21 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:00 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 02:08 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 11:23 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:27 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 12:29 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 05:54 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 12:21 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 04:00 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 19:10 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-16 03:21 +0000
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 06:36 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-16 13:06 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 06:57 +0100
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-11 11:41 -0800
Re: A Java- / .NET-like monitor "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-13 22:46 -0800
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