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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Standard or Forth? |
| Date | 2016-09-12 16:59 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Sep12.185924@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | <npkec6$gnu$1@dont-email.me> <877falllrg.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <nr5kmh$1qb8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> writes:
>Since when are five words to handle defers traditional?
Traditional are DEFER and IS. Traditionally, carnal knowledge was
used when people wanted to do the things that Forth-2012 programs can
do with DEFER@ and DEFER!, but since we did not want to standardize
(uncarnalize) the carnal knowledge, we standardized DEFER@ and DEFER!.
Finally, someone wanted ACTION-OF as a parsing variant of DEFER@ (just
like we have IS as a parsing variant of DEFER!), and that's how we got
ACTION-OF.
>200x hasn't
>been shy breaking tradition. ANS says floats on the data stack is traditional
>and permitted it. 200x says floats must have a separate stack.
Yes, so Forth-2012 has standardized an aspect of floating-point that
Forth-94 has not standardized. That's based on common practice:
Hardly any programs that used FP were actually Forth-94 compliant and
would run on both kinds of systems; most programs depended on a
separate FP stack, so that's what we standardized.
> ANS voted for
>LOCALS|. 200x says its hideous and wants you to use {: :}.
Most programmers who used locals found the locals order of LOCALS|
unacceptable, and used the { ... } syntax with the other order
instead. That became {: ... :} on standardization to avoid a conflict
with a SwiftForth feature. LOCALS| is in Forth-2012, but obsolescent,
so the recommendation is to change it to {: ... :} at some point in
the future. But if you prefer LOCALS| and want to keep using it, you
can define it with (LOCAL).
> ANS says one
>interpreted S" string is sufficient. 200x says two is necessary.
Wow, Forth-2012 is a horrible tradition-breaking monster! It gives
more guarantees to programs than Forth-94! The horror!
>ANS says use
>CHAR and [CHAR]. 200x tells you to use something else.
You can still use CHAR and [CHAR]; they are not obsolescent. Now you
can also write 'a', and cut-and-paste it between interpretation and
compilation (a tradition-breaking change if ever there was one!).
- anton
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