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Re: The morality of operating system security

From Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm>
Newsgroups alt.os.development
Subject Re: The morality of operating system security
Date 2016-05-04 17:22 -0400
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On Wed, 4 May 2016 09:00:00 +0100
James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 03/05/2016 21:55, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 May 2016 00:05:26 +0100
> > James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 27/04/2016 10:42, Rod Pemberton wrote:  
> >>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:01:44 +0100
> >>> James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:  

> >>>> Courgette - Zucchini  
> >>>
> >>> ???  
> >>
> >> Why the question marks?  
> >
> > It seemed strange.  The others at least made some sense to me.  I've
> > never heard or seen the word "courgette" before.  It sounds like a
> > French word or a derivative.  
> 
> Maybe it's a female courg.
> 

Ha.

Hey, is Lingham's Hot Sauce widely available over there?
I picked up some at the local dollar store.  Nice stuff.
This morning, I made a scrambled egg and spinach breakfast
burrito with it.  It's not easily found here.  I may have
to pick up some more since I suspect they won't restock.

> I was serious. I thought AmE used fishes rather than fish
> (plural). I guess there is room for variation in both countries.
> 

Maybe, it's regional or generational.  I don't generally
discuss fish with other people. So, maybe I'm out of
touch ...

> > I've noticed that "whomever" is being
> > consistently replaced with "whoever" now in AmE, even for news
> > articles.  
> 
> Here, many - probably most - people don't know grammatically when to
> say "who" and when to say "whom" and the former is now often used in
> either place.

I have difficulty with both, but had never noticed media
outlets not using them properly until recently.

> Similarly, many people don't know when to say "less" and when to say 
> "fewer".

As you once noticed, I occasionally use "fewer" to be
precise, but "less" is the "standard" usage here too.

> English is a complex language. I am continually coming across things 
> about it that I didn't know.

So, it's not easy to parse?  ...

The school systems here weren't teaching sentence diagramming
when I was in school.  They found too many students had problems
with it.  It helped me out immensely, but I'm above average on
spatial relations.  Unfortunately, I didn't learn it early on.

> > I'm not sure if people just gave up or if this is an accepted
> > change. Most here still can't get the usage of "than" versus "then"
> > correct either.  
> 
> That reminds me of another difference. From what I have seen, in
> America people talk about one thing being different than another. In
> the UK people say that one thing is different from another.

Both seem normal to me, but I'd say 75%:25%.

> OT but I wonder how feasible it would be to design a new language
> that was usable enough for humans but also logical enough to be
> understood by machines.

In C, I rarely use qualifiers such as "const" or "static" or
"restrict" etc. "volatile" is the only one I find to be useful.

In English, I am constantly having to use adverbs, adjectives,
phrases, etc to modify the base meaning which is easily written.
I'm forced to modify the base meaning into the precise meaning
that I intend, which is usually similar but different.  However,
I notice some people automatically discard all such "flowery"
usage and assume the base meaning is what I meant to say.

English sentences which can be diagrammed, can probably be parsed
by computers or generated by computers.  I don't diagram anymore,
but write what seems to be correct.  I don't know if diagramming
works for all of English, but it worked for much of it, if not
all of it, when I was learning it.

There are also chatterbots, parody generators, and Markov
chains which might be used to confirm that a computer can
parse the resulting language.  Without proof, I'm assuming
the that the reverse is true, that if it can generate it,
then it can also parse it, i.e., reverse the process.

Dijkstra's shortest path algorithm might also be of use.  I.e.,
words are defined as sentences which are sequences of other
words.  So, a shortest path algorithm could programmatically
find the definitions of words.  These could perhaps be filtered
via AI.  Or, they could be used as the basis for the language.

The first step might be to determine if diagrammed English
sentences can be converted into Markov chains.  Markov chains
are supposed to be representable by FSMs.  This would allow
for both an engine to generate text and an engine to parse
text, or so I'd think/guess ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijkstra's_algorithm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatterbot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody_generator

Haven't we discussed some of this previously?


Rod Pemberton

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The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 15:09 +0100
  Re: The morality of operating system security JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-03-30 00:03 +0700
    Re: The morality of operating system security "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2016-03-29 19:39 +0200
    Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 23:54 +0100
      Re: The morality of operating system security JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-03-31 06:16 +0700
  Re: The morality of operating system security "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2016-03-29 20:01 +0200
    Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 23:59 +0100
      Re: The morality of operating system security Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2016-03-31 17:47 +0200
        Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 08:11 +0100
          Re: The morality of operating system security Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2016-04-01 18:25 +0200
            Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 23:10 +0100
              Re: The morality of operating system security Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2016-04-02 14:18 +0200
      Re: The morality of operating system security "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2016-04-01 09:58 +0200
        Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 10:06 +0100
  Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-03-29 17:39 -0400
    Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 00:13 +0100
      Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-03-30 23:18 -0400
        Re: The morality of operating system security "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 00:31 -0700
          Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-03-31 16:57 -0400
        Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 09:22 +0100
          Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-04-01 20:24 -0400
            Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 18:25 +0100
              Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-04-09 18:57 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 09:07 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-04-26 23:58 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:01 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-04-27 05:42 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 00:05 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-03 16:55 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 09:00 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-04 17:22 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 17:02 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-05 17:55 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-05-09 14:58 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-05-12 17:46 -0400
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 00:11 +0100
                Re: The morality of operating system security James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:44 +0100

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