Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.lang.forth > #30240
| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) |
| Date | 2014-05-10 08:42 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2014May10.104240@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <22c56209-b95d-4af7-8307-c4a733fb06da@googlegroups.com> <vdudnZvtXe6kSfbOnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@supernews.com> <92a53a07-1bf0-4f76-86b2-0d18fa75d9a5@googlegroups.com> <k8WdnQoCYd2Va_bOnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@supernews.com> <lkh42g$mad$1@online.de> |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:
>I think the original idea of having a language for programmers, and some
>sort of rat pushing a button on the end user side isn't true anymore (if it
>ever was).
The separation between programmers and (non-programming) end users
exists in many settings, so it's no wonder that licenses of
proprietary software are designed for such settings.
That difference exists even in cases where the license is not making
the difference, and where the program author does not expect it.
E.g., Knuth expected that the users would make custom variants of TeX
for their own purposes, but that did not happen. Instead, they wrote
macro packages for TeX, and of these, LaTeX was the winner who took it
all; and there are various packages that build on top of LaTeX.
So for TeX we do have the separation, but it's more fine-grained:
There are relatively few who work on TeX (pretty much only porting and
such), some more who work on the LaTeX core, many more that work on
packages for LaTeX, and then there are the end users (many of whom
define their own commands and environments, but not all).
This kind of layering is also present in other areas, e.g., games with
addons and macro languages.
- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2014: http://www.euroforth.org/ef14/
Back to comp.lang.forth | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread
A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) roger.levy@gmail.com - 2014-05-03 21:19 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-03 22:22 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 08:24 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 03:44 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 14:46 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 09:21 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:28 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:38 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:53 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:36 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 23:27 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:39 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:44 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-05-05 07:35 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 21:51 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 09:49 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 22:55 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 01:21 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 02:07 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:12 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 07:15 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2014-05-07 09:28 -0500
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 09:23 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:56 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 09:57 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 10:02 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:08 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-07 12:03 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:12 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-07 08:16 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 11:33 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-05-07 22:32 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-05-08 01:50 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-08 10:24 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:05 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 09:00 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 12:09 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-08 20:11 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:22 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 17:08 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-08 11:24 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 15:25 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-09 01:30 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 08:42 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 15:30 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:11 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 16:26 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 14:37 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-10 21:17 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 10:45 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:28 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-10 11:41 -1000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 14:47 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 03:08 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 14:44 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-07 20:18 +0100
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:34 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 15:55 +0100
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:22 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-09 22:13 +0100
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 15:15 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-05-10 03:09 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-05-09 23:06 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-10 09:01 +0100
Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 09:02 +0000
Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-10 14:40 +0000
Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-10 15:26 +0000
Re: Parameter passing when calling C stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-05-11 09:46 +0000
Re: Parameter passing when calling C anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-11 14:57 +0000
Re: Parameter passing when calling C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-11 20:37 +0200
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 04:03 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Zbigniew <empty.buffersYOU-DONT-WANT-THIS@gmail.NEITHER-THIS.com> - 2014-05-07 16:19 +0000
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-11 11:49 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2014-05-12 18:34 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 06:40 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-05-13 23:55 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 01:39 -0700
Re: A new commercial indie game made in SwiftForth (Windows) Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-05-14 07:08 -0700
csiph-web