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Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann

Subject Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann
Newsgroups sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
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From benj <benj@nobody.net>
Message-ID <1o3GC.82819$RM2.685@fx05.iad> (permalink)
Date 2018-05-01 15:39 -0400

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On 5/1/2018 1:45 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 12:08 PM, Dinsdale wrote:
>> On 5/1/2018 11:44 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2018 4:23 AM, kensi wrote:
>>>> One of the nation's most respected (and harassed) scientists, Dr.
>>>> Michael Mann, discusses the climate change tipping point and battling
>>>> forces of denial:
>>>>
>>> Mann got caught lying in emails
>>
>> You have some of the best bullshit outrage on the internets!
>>
> 
> not bullshit,   it is in the emails Mann sent out,  Ever wonder why
> nobody has orgional data sets of global worming?  Mann says they are
> copyright, and refuses to let others see it.
> 
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#a3b6b5427ba6
> 
> Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science
> is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that
> independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or
> hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or
> observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a
> concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and
> procedures.
> 
> “I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information]
> Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to
> delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a
> scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on
> Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email to Mann.
> 
> “Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research
> grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another
> newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S.
> Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the
> original station data.”
> 
> The original Climategate emails contained similar evidence of destroying
> information and data that the public would naturally assume would be
> available according to freedom of information principles. “Mike, can you
> delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]?” Jones wrote
> to Penn State University scientist Michael Mann in an email released in
> Climategate 1.0. “Keith will do likewise. ... We will be getting Caspar
> [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site]
> claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!”
> 
> The new emails also reveal the scientists’ attempts to politicize the
> debate and advance predetermined outcomes, coordinated by Mann.
> 
> “The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e]
> what’s included and what is left out” of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan
> Overpeck, coordinating lead author for the IPCC’s most recent climate
> assessment.
> 
> “I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith
> Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but its not
> helping the cause,” wrote Mann in another newly released email.
> 
I presume this means she was actually reporting true facts. Shameful. 
"Kanzi" says you get better "climate change" data from weather stations 
positioned near air conditioner condensers.

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  Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 10:44 -0500
    Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 13:08 -0400
      Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 12:45 -0500
        Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 13:58 -0400
          Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 14:46 -0500
            Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 16:39 -0400
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:49 -0700
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:59 -0700
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 14:55 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 17:01 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 15:08 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 21:00 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 18:07 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 20:16 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:16 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 09:27 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 14:14 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 05:29 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 09:43 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 11:47 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 18:25 -0400
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-03 17:08 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:33 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:42 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:54 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:01 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:16 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 23:39 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:10 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:35 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-06 15:22 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-03 19:27 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:39 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:57 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:17 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 23:43 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:12 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:36 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:01 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 12:36 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 19:11 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 20:03 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:18 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 22:22 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:12 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:48 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:02 -0400
                Jealous much, Mr Green ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 20:11 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:44 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:59 -0500
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:44 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:13 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 22:19 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:13 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:34 -0500
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:05 -0400
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-03 22:10 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 19:24 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 22:37 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 21:58 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 02:32 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:19 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-02 07:14 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 09:28 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 05:31 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 09:33 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-02 05:34 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 06:37 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 09:31 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:02 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 15:09 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:14 -0400
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 17:23 -0500
        Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-01 15:39 -0400
      Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-01 15:32 -0400
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