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Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann

From Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
Subject Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann
Date 2018-05-01 12:45 -0500
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On 5/1/2018 12:08 PM, Dinsdale wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 11:44 AM, Sergio wrote:
>> On 5/1/2018 4:23 AM, kensi wrote:
>>> One of the nation's most respected (and harassed) scientists, Dr.
>>> Michael Mann, discusses the climate change tipping point and battling
>>> forces of denial:
>>>
>> Mann got caught lying in emails
> 
> You have some of the best bullshit outrage on the internets!
> 

not bullshit,   it is in the emails Mann sent out,  Ever wonder why
nobody has orgional data sets of global worming?  Mann says they are
copyright, and refuses to let others see it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#a3b6b5427ba6

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science
is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that
independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or
hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or
observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a
concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and
procedures.

“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information]
Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to
delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a
scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email to Mann.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research
grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another
newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S.
Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the
original station data.”

The original Climategate emails contained similar evidence of destroying
information and data that the public would naturally assume would be
available according to freedom of information principles. “Mike, can you
delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]?” Jones wrote
to Penn State University scientist Michael Mann in an email released in
Climategate 1.0. “Keith will do likewise. ... We will be getting Caspar
[Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site]
claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!”

The new emails also reveal the scientists’ attempts to politicize the
debate and advance predetermined outcomes, coordinated by Mann.

“The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e]
what’s included and what is left out” of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan
Overpeck, coordinating lead author for the IPCC’s most recent climate
assessment.

“I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith
Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but its not
helping the cause,” wrote Mann in another newly released email.

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  Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 10:44 -0500
    Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 13:08 -0400
      Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 12:45 -0500
        Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 13:58 -0400
          Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 14:46 -0500
            Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 16:39 -0400
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:49 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-05-01 16:55 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:59 -0700
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 14:55 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 17:01 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 15:08 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 21:00 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 18:07 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 20:16 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:16 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 09:27 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 14:14 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 05:29 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 09:43 -0500
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                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 18:25 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-03 22:59 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-03 17:08 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:33 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:42 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:54 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:01 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:16 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 23:39 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:10 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:35 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-06 15:22 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-03 19:27 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:39 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:57 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:17 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 23:43 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:12 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:36 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:01 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 12:36 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 19:11 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 20:03 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:18 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 22:22 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:12 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:48 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:02 -0400
                Jealous much, Mr Green ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-05 10:15 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 20:11 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:44 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 21:59 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:04 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:44 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:13 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-05-03 22:19 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 21:13 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:34 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:33 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:20 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:30 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-05-04 01:46 +0000
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 22:02 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 03:05 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 12:20 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-03 22:10 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 19:24 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-01 22:37 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 21:58 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 02:32 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:19 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-02 07:14 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 09:28 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 05:31 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 09:33 -0500
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Dinsdale <yup@ayup.yup> - 2018-05-02 05:34 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 06:37 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-02 09:31 -0400
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:02 -0700
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-01 15:09 -0600
                Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 05:14 -0400
              Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-01 17:23 -0500
        Re: Navigating the Climate Change Minefield with Michael Mann benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-01 15:39 -0400
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