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Re: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense

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Date 2022-02-08 16:17 -0800
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Subject Re: 50 Years of Prolog Nonsense
From Mostowski Collapse <bursejan@gmail.com>

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Woa! That was quick, there is now a stop option:
https://github.com/tau-prolog/sandbox/issues/10

I always admire Steve Jobs, how he introduced the MacIntosh
with a mouse that only had one button. Those times there were
mouses with 3 buttons.

So currently trying to figure out what a good GUI would be.
I cannot speak for Tau Prolog. But in my system Limit is a
system resource, that the end-user has nothing

to do with. It is planned that for non-blocking via some
auto-tuning the optimal value is found. Browsers have
a certain affinity to 60 frames per second.(*)

Not yet sure how this turns out. For the control buttons,
I am rather think of something else. Don't know yet what.
Was just having a look at SWISH, 

it shows me an animation and an abort button. Maybe
thats where I got the animation idea from. after a while 
it shows stats. the abort button shows again after redo.

(*)
I found some docu about that. A browser might also updrade
or downgrade the frequency. There is also something related
to animation, called requestAnimationFrame(), but this is

probably not needed for DOM updates.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Februar 2022 um 22:48:36 UTC+1:
> So maybe lets start all-over and read my question in the 
> ticket again. How do your answers respond to my question: 
> > Is there another sandbox already online? 
> 
> I don't want to change my Prolog code. 
> And I don't want to code a sandbox in JavaScript. 
> 
> I understand that on the other hand it seems a yielding 
> engine is already there, by for example hooking into 
> the limit callback for example. But I don't find it 
> 
> somewhere already wrapped into a sandbox. Or 
> maybe there is some other URL out in the wild?
> Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Februar 2022 um 22:42:03 UTC+1: 
> > The next step is make it cancellable. So you would have 
> > maybe some way in the GUI to cancel an engine. But this 
> > would be most effective if it is combined with AbortController 
> > 
> > stuff from node.js. Not sure what the browser offers. 
> > Did not yet work on this. But since in a non-blocking sandbox 
> > the GUI remains responsive, you can have a GUI control 
> > 
> > similar to Ctrl-C that one is used from SWI-Prolog. 
> > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Februar 2022 um 22:35:58 UTC+1: 
> > > Again, whats so difficult in providing a yielding engine? 
> > > 
> > > One can make it configurable, shouldn't be a problem for 
> > > somebody with that programming skills. 
> > > 
> > > I have it easily switchable on and off: 
> > > 
> > > /* Switch yielding engine on */ 
> > > set_gc_flags(gc_flags | GC_MASK_ASYNC); 
> > > 
> > > Maybe its some mental blockage? 
> > > Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 8. Februar 2022 um 22:23:17 UTC+1: 
> > > > Since idiotic Tau Prolog is horsing around: 
> > > > https://github.com/tau-prolog/tau-prolog/issues/291 
> > > > 
> > > > Here my response: 
> > > > 
> > > > Thats not what Erlang did. In Erlang there was a counter and long 
> > > > running actors were automatically yielded. You can lookup the 
> > > > Erlang documentation if you don't believe me. 
> > > > 
> > > > Your suggestions from using sleep/1 to the other suggestion to 
> > > > pressing enter in the top-level are ridiculous, you seem not to 
> > > > understand what a yielding engine is. 
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe hold back your nonsense suggestion and only respond 
> > > > when you have a solution, or when a solution is dismissed for 
> > > > some reasons. But I don't know why a yielding engine should 
> > > > 
> > > > be imposible? I just had a look at your source code, especially 
> > > > your async protocol with return true and again(). Quite impressive 
> > > > and relatively simple solution. Maybe because catch/3 creates 
> > > > 
> > > > another thread via new Thread() ? I don't know what the technical 
> > > > issue is that after all these years a yielding engine isn't available?

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