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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? |
| Date | 2016-12-14 20:40 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <1bfulpuage.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net> (permalink) |
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Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: > On 15/12/16 00:33, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: >> >>> I did, and practically every application I tried to use would fall >>> over within a few minutes (or, sometimes, within a few seconds). >> >> That's weird. How much swap did you have? > > Several tons. Truckloads. Wow. All I can say is that's surprising. >> Well, they're expecting overcommit. > > Well, they shouldn't. You have to have expectations. If 99+% of the systems you're running on have overcommit, it's not a bad assumption. The only other real possibility is to have some sort of developer-accessible way to check the memory pool to decide whether you really need to crash, or if you can continue. If that exists, I'm not aware of it. >> It's pretty close to true >> (especially on a 64 bit system) with overcommit that the only time >> malloc() will fail is if something has corrupted the memory pool; in >> that case, you might as well crash now since you're going to very soon >> (or worse). > > Or you might as well not bother testing, which is what I suspect > happens most of the time. And that's why Linux software is so > hopeless. Not as hopeless as Windows software, obviously --- but still > pretty hopeless. Look! Shiny! Well, yeah. Most programmers expect all library and system calls (even open()!) to succeed and don't check anything. The question here is, for that tiny fraction who check at all, what should they do? I try to do something sane if it's likely to be a user error, and crash with an error message if it's mine. If malloc() fails, it's almost certain that I've got a wild pointer someplace.
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Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-12-13 23:18 -0500
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-12-14 05:30 +0100
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-12-14 00:59 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-14 10:38 +0000
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Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2016-12-14 15:47 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-12-14 15:41 -0700
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-14 23:26 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-12-14 17:33 -0700
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-15 00:42 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 17:05 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-15 08:21 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 09:15 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-15 17:50 +0000
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Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-15 20:37 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-15 20:08 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-12-14 20:40 -0700
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-15 08:36 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-12-15 17:43 -0700
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-16 01:05 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-12-15 18:34 -0700
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Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-15 20:15 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-15 01:51 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-12-15 06:09 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-15 17:47 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-14 12:15 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2016-12-15 10:24 -0800
Re: overcommit is the plague Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-17 01:17 +0100
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-14 20:19 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-12-14 17:44 -0500
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-15 00:21 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-12-15 00:56 -0800
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-15 22:08 +0000
Re: Why is this outputting alternate blank lines? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-12-14 13:39 -0800
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