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Re: This is How it Happened...Summary

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
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Subject Re: This is How it Happened...Summary
From John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com>

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On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 10:53:00 AM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 8:12:25 AM UTC-6, John Heath wrote:
> >
> > In the early 60s or 70s they sent some planes up with atomic clocks to
> > verify SR and GR. The east and west bound planes had different SR effects
> > on the clocks. The bottom line is walking west speeds a clock up and east
> > slower.
> 
> What you have failed to do is take into account the Sagnac effect:  The
> planes did NOT return to their point of origin because the earth rotated
> while they traveled.
> 
> Besides which, the clocks de-synchronized an additional amount from the
> ground clocks because they were in a different gravitational field during
> most of time in flight.  Once one understands all of these effects and
> accounts for them properly, the time differences are in agreement with
> theory.

The GR effect or de-synchronized as you put it is not relevant. Just subtract the gravity variable and you are back in sync. With that off the table we are back to SR only. West faster east slower clocks. 

As to the Sagnac effect it would be the relative movement to the properties of the vacuum. As the table is turned one is experiencing a Doppler effect towards or away from the properties of that vacuum. It ends up the same. Not inclined to stand on a soap box for this one. Just trying to leave the door open for a simple Newtonian solution.

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This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-01 11:06 +1100
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 18:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-01 13:04 +1100
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 07:35 -0500
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 13:15 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 04:06 +0000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:17 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:10 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:18 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:58 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:53 -0500
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:35 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:44 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:26 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:01 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 16:19 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:43 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:43 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:28 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:52 +0000
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:42 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 16:43 +1100
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-02 19:23 +1100
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 19:40 +1100
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-02 22:09 +1100
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-02 12:20 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-02 19:58 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 07:53 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-03 21:13 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 06:04 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:10 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:12 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 15:16 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 20:15 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 04:37 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 06:41 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 10:34 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 10:38 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 15:56 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:51 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:36 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 18:24 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 09:46 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 19:15 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 11:54 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 21:04 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 05:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:49 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Apollo <nowhere@def.com> - 2016-04-04 07:28 -0600
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:43 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 17:09 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:20 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 16:03 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:46 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-09 03:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-12 08:27 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-12 09:50 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:17 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 11:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:08 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:48 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:34 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-13 17:44 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 09:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:04 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 09:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:49 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 10:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 21:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-15 21:48 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 10:31 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 09:10 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:45 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-17 04:58 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:47 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-13 14:49 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 08:12 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 13:57 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-15 14:54 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 04:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 03:48 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 14:40 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 14:50 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 18:18 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 04:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-19 21:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-20 08:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:09 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:39 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-25 23:27 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-27 05:25 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-27 22:08 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 08:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 15:07 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:37 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 14:45 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 14:39 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:44 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-05 07:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 06:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-05 09:15 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:14 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 17:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-08 07:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 09:11 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 03:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:27 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 04:31 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 07:26 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 20:54 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 14:17 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-09 00:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:41 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-17 17:38 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:57 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-10 19:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:05 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 05:57 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 04:07 +1000
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 11:26 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:29 +1000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 19:53 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-04-04 14:02 +1000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-01 19:25 +0200
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:36 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 15:46 +0200
  This is How it Happened...Summary PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 06:58 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 14:07 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 08:00 +1000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-03 08:33 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:47 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:54 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-17 18:35 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-03 07:51 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-04 04:06 -0700

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