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Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World
Date 2016-03-20 09:26 +0100
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Pentcho Valev wrote:

> http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/09/05/perimeter-institute-and-the-crisis-in-modern-physics/
>  Neil Turok: "It's the ultimate catastrophe: that theoretical physics has
>  led to this crazy situation where the physicists are utterly confused and
>  seem not to have any predictions at all."

This article in that news magazine (far from being a scientific journal) is 
from 2013.  It is 2016 now, and not only has the Planck spacecraft confirmed 
once again the inflation variant of Big Bang cosmology, but also 
gravitational waves have been observed by LIGO exactly as general relativity 
predicted.

Note that Neil Turok is the director of the Perimeter Institute for 
Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, a so-called “independent 
research institute”.  This will become important later.
 
> http://www.edge.org/response-detail/23857
>  Steve Giddings: "What really keeps me awake at night (...) is that we
>  face a crisis within the deepest foundations of physics. The only way out
>  seems to involve profound revision of fundamental physical principles."

That article is from 2013, too.  Besides, “I am concerned” is not a 
scientific statement.

> http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-ultimate-simplicity-of-everything-1.3490322
>  Neil Turok: "It looks like the founding principles of modern physics -
>  quantum theory and relativity - have played out and they have not given
>  us the answers we need. And so we have to go back and question those
>  founding principles..."

Same source, same year, no reasoning.
 
> Needless to say, Einsteinians have already questioned the founding
> principles. They have discovered that the consequences of Einstein's 1905
> constant-speed-of-light postulate are absurd,

Nonsense.

> which means that the postulate is false:

Ex falso quodlibet.
 
> http://community.bowdoin.edu/news/2015/04/professor-baumgarte-describes-100-years-of-gravity/
>  "Baumgarte began by discussing special relativity, which Einstein
>  developed, 10 years earlier, in 1905, while he was employed as a patent
>  officer in Bern, Switzerland. Special relativity is based on the
>  observation that the speed of light is always the same, independently of
>  who measures it, or how fast the source of the light is moving with
>  respect to the observer. Einstein demonstrated that as an immediate
>  consequence, space and time can no longer be independent, but should
>  rather be considered a new joint entity called "spacetime."

The article and quote do not corroborate your claim.

That said, that the speed of light can either only be *locally* constant or 
the referred spacetime must be flat (as in special relativity), has been 
found out by Einstein himself, it his 1915 *general* theory of relativity.

<http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/156?highlightText=%22speed%20of%20light%22> (§ 2)
 
> https://edge.org/response-detail/25477
>  What scientific idea is ready for retirement? Steve Giddings: "Spacetime.
>  Physics has always been regarded as playing out on an underlying stage of
>  space and time. Special relativity joined these into spacetime... (...)
>  The apparent need to retire classical spacetime as a fundamental concept
>  is profound..."

Again from 2013.  You are three years out of date.

If spacetime “is ready for retirement”, how does Giddings explain the recent 
observation of gravitational waves caused by the merger of two black holes, 
through spacetime strain – *precisely* as Einstein, based on general 
relativity, predicted in 1916?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kyV4TMnE
>  Nima Arkani-Hamed (06:11): "Almost all of us believe that space-time
>  doesn't really exist, space-time is doomed and has to be replaced by some
>  more primitive building blocks."

Whereas “almost all of us” refers to the physicists working at the 
*Perimeter Institute* in 2014, when this video was published by the 
*Perimeter Institute*.

> http://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257
>  Joao Magueijo, Faster Than the Speed of Light, p. 250: "Lee [Smolin] and
>  I discussed these paradoxes at great length for many months, starting in
>  January 2001. We would meet in cafés in South Kensington or Holland Park
>  to mull over the problem. THE ROOT OF ALL THE EVIL WAS CLEARLY SPECIAL
>  RELATIVITY. All these paradoxes resulted from well known effects such as
>  length contraction, time dilation, or E=mc^2, all basic predictions of
>  special relativity. And all denied the possibility of establishing a
>  well-defined border, common to all observers, capable of containing new
>  quantum gravitational effects."

Lee Smolin, too, is working at the *Perimeter Institute*.  The cited book 
was published in 2003.  This is now 13 years out of date.
 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/science/e-and-mc2-equality-it-seems-is-relative.html
>  "...Dr. Magueijo said. "We need to drop a postulate, perhaps the
>  constancy of the speed of light."

You are citing a New York Times article from 2002, 14 years out of date.

Constant speed of light had already been "dropped" *locally* by Einstein in 
1915, and the article continues:

| Most physicists have yet to buy into this presumed revolution. Dr. Edward 
| Witten of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, called recent 
| arguments that some versions of quantum gravity would violate relativity 
| “unimpressive.”

> [tl;dr]

Get a life.


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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  Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-20 09:26 +0100
    Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 02:47 -0700
      Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 03:21 -0700
      Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-20 12:40 +0100
        Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 04:54 -0700
          Re: Panic in Einstein Schizophrenic World Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-20 13:47 +0100
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