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Re: Fireman

From athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Fireman
References (16 earlier) <MPG.44d285141a29eef989707@news.individual.net> <114a1e6$3vs0u$1@dont-email.me> <1ryyum2.wymbmi192ys6oN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1785259518-12588@newsgrouper.org> <1rz01u6.1bfoavk3o0l7oN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
Date 2026-08-01 14:46 +0000
Message-ID <1785595577-12588@newsgrouper.org> (permalink)

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liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) posted:

> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) posted:
> 
> [...]
> > > This was the list
> > 
> > No, it wasn't. You omitted more than half of the list. Why was that? Did you
> > want to cover up Amnesty's deliberate confusion between anti-abortion groups
> > and the groups you don't like?
> 
> The list was derived from a table with a column which identified which
> groups were anti-transgender and which were included for other reasons.
> I went to the trouble of separating out the anti-trangender ones and did
> not include any ot the other categories.  As I have pointed out before,
> at every stage in Amnesty's report the distinction was quite clear.
> 
> Some of the anti-transgender groups themselves claim to be upholding
> women's rights so that may be where the confusion is occurring.
> 
> For completeness, the other groups in the table were:
> 
> Branches of U.S. groups (7)
> Religious groups (12)
> Conversion advocacy (12)
> Other (11)
> 
> 
> > > which was later withdrawn because of the threat of
> > > legal action by one of the organisations mentioned.
> > > 
> > Beira's Place, in Edinburgh, as I'm sure you know. I have been going through
> > its web site and cannot find anything that can be called "using a toilet has
> > now become weaponised by anti-transgender hate groups". Can you point out what
> > I've missed?
> 
> You have missed their assertion that they help all women equally but
> transgender women aren't (in their opinion) women.
> 
> 
Gosh. So your criterion for weaponising use of a toilet is following a policy 
that men who say they are women are not women. Can you not find anything more
hateful than that that Beira's Place is guilty of?

Incidentally the thanks you get for defending Amnesty's slander is to get
dumped in the toilet yourself by Amnesty. It now says: "We apologise for the 
publication of the briefing 'A growing threat: the anti-rights movement 
in the UK.' This document should never have been published, and full 
responsibility for this error rests with Amnesty International UK." Oh dear.
Do you still think they were right to slander Beira's Place and many other
charities?

-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada

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                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:00 +0100
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                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-18 10:06 +0000
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                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 10:00 +0200
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                Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
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                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 14:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 18:33 +0100
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                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-28 10:22 +0100
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                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
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                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
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                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
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                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 23:27 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
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                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 18:17 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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