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Re: Fireman

From athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Fireman
References (16 earlier) <rj986ldo5bsnmq9at0cug6l2kj2o9t59i3@4ax.com> <1rytb0a.1mc2rhn1cu24zkN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <MPG.44d285141a29eef989707@news.individual.net> <114a1e6$3vs0u$1@dont-email.me> <1ryyum2.wymbmi192ys6oN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
Date 2026-07-28 17:25 +0000
Message-ID <1785259518-12588@newsgrouper.org> (permalink)

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liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) posted:

> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 28/07/26 19:22, Janet wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <1rytb0a.1mc2rhn1cu24zkN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
> > > liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid says...
> > 
> > >>> If it's a two bathroom facility, and the men's is occupied, I
> > >>> have used the women's.  I would have no objection to a woman
> > >>> doing the same thing.
> > >>>
> > >>> "Forced" is a bit hyperbolic.
> > >>
> > >> The UK law has just been changed.
> > >>
> > > There is no UK law, new or old, that anyone " is then forced to use
> > > women's toilets by law for the rest of his life".
> > 
> > I'm still having trouble understanding why it matters.
> 
> It does not matter - for exactly the reasons you have given but using a
> toilet has now become weaponised by anti-transgender hate groups.
> Before you ask, those organisations in the UK have been listed by a

once

> well-respected international research group 

Amnesty International (which is not a research group)

> as:
> 
> Seen Network (Sex Equality and Equity Network Limited) 
> Seen in the City
> SEEN in HR
> Parli SEEN
> SEEN in STEM
> SEEN in Journalism
> SEEN in Schools
> SEEN in Sport
> SEEN in Health
> SEEN in Retail
> Local Authority SEEN
> TU SEEN
> SEEN in Publishing
> Third Sector SEEN 
> Police SEEN UK
> SEEN on Campus
> FiLiA
> Bayswater support group
> Children of Transitioners
> Get the L Out UK
> Gender Critical Greens
> Labour Women's Declaration
> Legal Feminist
> Lesbian Strength 
> Merched Cymru 0
> OBJECT- Women Not Sex Objects! 
> Older Feminist Network
> Protect & Teach
> Safe Schools Alliance UK (SSAUK) 
> Trans Widows Voices
> Virago Women's Workshop
> LGB Alliance Cymru
> Beira's Place
> Conservatives for Women
> Fair Play for Women
> For Women Scotland
> Gay Men's Network UK 
> Keep Prisons Single Sex
> Let Women Speak (formerly Standing for Women)
> LGB Alliance
> The Lesbian Project
> Transgender Trend
> Woman's Place UK (WPUK)
> Women's Declaration International (WDI)
> Sex Matters
> Murray Blackburn and Mackenzie
> Women's Rights Network (WRN)
> LGB Christians
> Liberal Voice for Women
> ScotPAG Scottish Professionals Advising on Gender 
> 
> This was the list

No, it wasn't. You omitted more than half of the list. Why was that? Did you 
want to cover up Amnesty's deliberate confusion between anti-abortion groups 
and the groups you don't like?

> which was later withdrawn because of the threat of
> legal action by one of the organisations mentioned.
> 
Beira's Place, in Edinburgh, as I'm sure you know. I have been going through
its web site and cannot find anything that can be called "using a toilet has 
now become weaponised by anti-transgender hate groups". Can you point out what
I've missed?


-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada

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Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
  Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-15 17:37 +1000
  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 07:47 +0000
  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-15 11:01 +0200
  Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-15 11:07 +0200
    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 10:23 +0100
    Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-15 21:50 +0200
      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 16:13 -0400
        Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:52 +1000
        Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-16 07:35 +0200
      Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:09 +0200
  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 10:20 +0100
  Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-15 10:33 +0000
  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:03 -0400
    Re: Fireman HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-15 12:35 +0100
      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:44 -0400
        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 12:51 +0100
          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 08:45 -0400
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-15 21:25 +0100
        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 14:47 +0100
          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 15:43 +0000
            Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 18:03 +0200
            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:58 +1000
              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-16 09:06 +0000
              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-16 09:19 +0000
            Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-18 13:05 +0200
              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 17:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-18 19:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 16:34 -0400
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 22:14 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:13 -0400
          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:13 -0400
          Man vs woman vs man vs monkey Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:18 +0200
        Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 17:09 +0200
          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-16 23:34 +0200
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 19:33 -0400
              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 09:49 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 06:54 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 09:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 10:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 20:47 +1000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 13:54 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 19:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 20:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:15 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 21:39 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:10 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 08:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-18 17:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 10:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-18 10:06 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:28 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 10:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 08:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:04 +0000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 22:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 06:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:19 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 13:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:59 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 10:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:27 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 21:30 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-21 10:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:15 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 14:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 16:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 09:50 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-23 15:02 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:10 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 12:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-23 11:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 13:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:24 +1000
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 17:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 17:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman [OT] Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-24 08:15 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2026-07-24 18:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-25 12:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:30 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 09:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-23 14:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 14:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 18:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-24 09:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-24 21:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 23:04 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-28 10:22 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:33 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 09:14 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 20:48 +1000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 13:28 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 20:31 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 17:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:46 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-08 20:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 12:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-09 15:04 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 14:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 22:53 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 16:52 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:59 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 09:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-10 11:02 +0000
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 16:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-10 17:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 06:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 12:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 13:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 09:52 +1000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-13 11:06 +0530
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-28 18:27 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 16:02 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 19:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 19:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-09 20:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 23:27 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 17:28 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 16:34 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 17:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-10 20:15 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 20:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 09:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-11 09:44 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 10:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 17:50 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:32 +1000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 08:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 20:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 07:13 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 00:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-30 10:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-30 09:48 +0000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 18:17 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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