Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles

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Subject	Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles
Date	2012-04-13 06:52 -0700
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On Friday, April 13, 2012 12:48:38 PM UTC+1, Thomas Richter wrote:
> > YES THE PROBLEM NEEDED TO&  WAS  'SIMPLIFIED' ... now that some
> > understandings in place alreasdy I can now reveal the 'final' complete
> > details :
> 
> So, in other words, you keep changing the problem?

NOT REALLY KEEP CHANGING ... necessarily best starts with the main basic problem description 1st THEN once audience showed overall understandings then to fill in the few fine details left out from 'simplification' ( to help get correct bearings 1st ) ... IN FACT , IT WAS 'EXPLICIT' WRITTEN "...SIMPLIFIED..." , this must means something 

THE MAIN PROBLEM AS "SIMPLIFIED" DESCRIBED was a real problem on its own right with most already thought practical intractable not possible represents with less than 1.5 bits / symbol practically  [ no practical present existing compressor can do this )

> > . each sequence's  distance to the start position of the next sequence
> > ( ie from start of present sequence TO start of the next sequence ) IS
> > ALWAYS FIXED
> > [ ie ascertainable # of bits ! ] .... FOR SIMPLICITY AT THIS STAGE can
> > just assume this
> > to be constant fixed 513 bits throughout !!!
> 
> Still, makes no sense. Do you mean 513 *symbols*? Or do you mean that a 
> sequence has to terminate after 513 output bits have been produced? Or 
> "N" bits? Or "N" symbols?

has to terminate after 513 output BITS 

> Look, your problem description is lousy, at least.

was already from very beginning 'explicit' stated problem description was 'simplified' to help get basic understandings 1st... the subsequent fine details ( once basic grasp of problem gained ) does not alter things tremendous

... will overload everyone to start with full-monty

> > [ should the present sequence be just 2 symbols " C C "  ( 4 bits
> > long ) THEN will be followed
> >    by 513 -4 = 509 bits of filler 'dont-care'  bits  ]
> 
> Huh? I don't need "filler bits" if I know that the sequence terminates. 
> There are surely better encodings for a finitely sized sequence provided 
> I know that it must terminate after N symbols - or bits?
> 
> Sorry, no go.

yes ... you dont need them ... these so-called  "filler bits" really are just other compressed data part which needs not concern us

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  Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-03 11:32 +0200
    Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-03 09:07 -0700
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          Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-08 04:25 -0700
            Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles lawcounsels@gmail.com - 2012-04-08 22:58 -0700
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-10 05:43 -0700
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels@aol.com - 2012-04-10 05:58 -0700
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles biject <biject.bwts@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 07:26 -0700
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-10 08:10 -0700
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 02:43 -0700
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-11 02:47 +0200
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles LawCounsels <lawcounsels@gmail.com> - 2012-04-11 02:56 -0700
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-11 16:26 +0200
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-11 07:36 -0700
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-12 02:27 +0200
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-13 13:48 +0200
                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles James Dow Allen <jdallen2000@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-13 05:15 -0700
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                Re: Mankind's centuries old Kraft's Inequality / Pigeonholes hurdles Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-04-14 00:54 +0200
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