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Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it

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On 20 Aug 2026 00:19:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

>On 2026-08-19, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:43:50 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
>>
>>>TPM is urging its voters to elect TPM electorate candidates but give
>>>their party votes to Labour/Green, thus creating a Left-favouring
>>>Parliamentary overhang.  NZF isn't waiting to get beaten up, instead
>>>they are countering by urging all government supporters to VOTE
>>>NATIONAL FOR ELECTORATE, VOTE NZF/ACT FOR PARTY LIST.  If all
>>>government supporters do this (even you, Crash), then there will be a
>>>huge pro-government Parliamentary overhang and we will avoid a
>>>nightmare Labour-led government. 
>>>
>>>In support:  National listers hardly get in anyway, their electorate
>>>MPs pretty much soak up the National share of list votes.  Don't waste
>>>your list vote on National, give it to NZF or ACT, create a
>>>numerically strong government with strong NZF/ACT components to give
>>>backbone and purpose to the government coalition.
>>>
>>>As for MMP, it's a trainwreck of an electoral system which always
>>>depended on "good faith" party conduct to avoid precisely this
>>>scenario.  People, "good faith" days are over, society is too divided
>>>and mistrustful, thanks to left-wing radicalism.  We badly need to
>>>switch to the Australian preferential (STV) system which is
>>>electorate-only (i.e., no list) and always counts your vote in the
>>>final two-candidate count (assuming you've included one of those
>>>finalists in your preference list). 
>>>
>>>So this year, vote National for electorate, NZF or ACT for list. 
>
>That would be a wasted vote in a Labour strong hold seat.

I would not call it wasted - an electorate vote for National always
reduces the Labour majority.  Party votes always count.
>>>  
>> You spout the political party spiel as if that will happen.  The Maori
>> party that has such a small number of party voters (2023, 87,844 of
>> 2,851,211) tactical party voting as they advocate will have no
>> consequential outcome beyond getting in perhaps one more Labour or
>> Green MP that maybe Maori.  Big deal and that relies on Maori Party
>> electorate voters knowing that they can party vote for someone else
>> and understanding the call for tactical voting.
>>
>> Expecting National supporters to ignore the '2 ticks blue' message
>> they have received over 21 election cycles and party vote anyone else
>> at scale is just delusional.
>>
>I would expect that the % of split votes would be very small. People want to
>vote for X and certainly not Y. You are diluting you vote will be the
>thinking. Espically in these days of strong party lines.
>
>We have to remember that the Last Labour Government got enough seats to
>rule alone. A rare case. 


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Crash McBash

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MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-08-18 22:43 +0000
  Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:01 +1200
    Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2026-08-20 00:19 +0000
      Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2026-08-20 16:58 +1200
    Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-08-27 23:31 +0000
      Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2026-08-28 01:50 +0000
        Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it BR <blah@blah.blah> - 2026-08-28 18:42 +1200
      Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it BR <blah@blah.blah> - 2026-08-28 18:42 +1200
      Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2026-08-29 08:54 +1200
  Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Average Joe <average.joe@maildrop.ue> - 2026-09-02 18:56 +1200
    Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-09-03 07:18 +0000
      Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Average Joe <average.joe@maildrop.ue> - 2026-09-04 19:53 +1200
        Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-09-04 08:54 +0000
          Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Average Joe <average.joe@maildrop.ue> - 2026-09-06 19:38 +1200
            Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-09-06 08:39 +0000
              Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Average Joe <average.joe@maildrop.ue> - 2026-09-06 21:53 +1200
                Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) - 2026-09-06 20:49 +0000
                Re: MMP is dying, help to kill it Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2026-09-06 23:14 +0000
            Re: MMP is not dying, futile to kill it Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-06 22:08 +0000
              Re: MMP is not dying, futile to kill it Average Joe <average.joe@maildrop.ue> - 2026-09-07 12:00 +1200
                Re: MMP is not dying, futile to kill it Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-07 00:25 +0000

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