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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-xp |
| Subject | Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups |
| Date | 2026-09-24 18:33 +0100 |
| Organization | 255 software |
| Message-ID | <1193mta$2t3i3$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 2026/9/24 8:52:45, ....winston wrote:
> On 09/23/2026 9:12 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
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>> You seem to be suggesting that the main - or at least a major - reason
>> for them leaving usenet was that they no longer wanted to support NNTP.
>
> That would be more correct than incorrect.
> As noted, in 2010, Win8 in beta(and again once released to RTM) had
> already made it clear that no email client would be included in the OS.
> Live Mail was the only supported client and focused on synchronization
> with Mail, Contacts, Calendar, SkyDrive(OneDrive), PhotoGallery and
> integration with Messenger(Contacts).
> - it was also clear in 2010 that Live Mail would be deprecated in
> 2012(Last release), Live Mail 2011 was already in preview mode and
> intended for Vista(Not Windows 7 or 8).
> => It was quite clear, that the move to Online forums and Social Media
> was the favored over NNTP. Coincidentally, in 2010, Microsoft Answers
> 2.0 was already in preview mode and designed to replaced Answers 1.0 and
> the existing previously mentioned Live Forums where the Live Forums
> content would be migrated into Answers 2.0.
> i.e. all the above further validating that NTTP support was destined
> for the graveyard. Furthermore, it was easy to see that MSFT really had
> no reason to support internal use of other 3rd party news clients for
> continued NNTP use.
>
Yes, I've got it: MS didn't want to support NNTP (or, if they had their
way, email). That doesn't mean the tens of thousands of _other_
newsgroups were going to abandon it. Yes, I know they didn't carry many
(any?) of those on their own server.
>
>>
>> But the discussions in those newsgroups covered a lot more than just
>> their NNTP client; there might have been one specific 'group that did, I
>> can't remember, but they were wide-ranging, covering all aspects of -
>> well, for example, as Newyana2 lists, VB, vbscript, and XP, to name but
>> three; such discussion of such subjects were not really affected by
>> whether an NNTP client was supported or not.
> Did not matter, see above - all those topics could be covered in
> Answers, Reddit, Social Media, and Feedback. Windows Insider(its own
> Feedback for everything Windows included) was already in the Pre-Alpha
> and Milestone(both before Beta status) stage - again no internal
> direction or support for NNTP.
All those topics _where carried on the Microsoft 'groups_, yes.
>>
>> An interesting parallel was (were?) the demon.* 'groups; several of the
>> main newsservers carried those, and continued to do so when Demon became
>> only a fond (or otherwise!) memory. (In fact as far as I can see several
>> tens of them are still there, though I don't know how active.) Not a
>> complete parallel, as AFAIK they were never part of a closed server.
>
> Yes, but that does not mean supported by MSFT(MSFT didn't care and
> ignored the status of any group and content on alternative newsservers)
>
> All I can add, not much of this was available to public, but those of us
> who add access to internal on-site(Redmond campus) meetings and
> discussions were well aware(but not always comfortable) with the
> direction, but it was clear in 2010 NNTP support was a dead issue and
> even more so what was coming in the future(Windows 8 and 10, Forums,
> Social Media, and the Insider O/S builds and its own Feedback portal).
>
>
Basically, "it's our ball, and we're taking it away"; the rest of us
just had lots of other balls to play with, and didn't really care if you
closed your little sports ground, we had several others, mostly less
restrictive too. Slight sadness at loss of some friends, but at least
some of those came with us to the new alt. 'groups, if they could avoid
Microsoft finding out in the case of those who were MS employees.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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