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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general, alt.comp.os.windows-xp |
| Subject | Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups |
| Date | 2026-09-23 14:12 +0100 |
| Organization | 255 software |
| Message-ID | <1190j72$1ohup$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <xn0pv2gv5isman400n@news.individual.net> <118u3am$tudj$2@dont-email.me> <118uali$114rv$1@dont-email.me> <118udja$128kv$1@dont-email.me> <118vqad$1f5jj$2@dont-email.me> |
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On 2026/9/23 7:7:8, ....winston wrote: > On 09/22/2026 1:23 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/9/22 17:33:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/9/22 15:28:38, ....winston wrote: >>>> On 09/22/2026 3:39 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote: >>>>> On 20/09/2026 in message <nhagq4Fb024U1@mid.individual.net> Brian >>>>> Gregory wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 02/02/2023 13:37, Newyana2 wrote: >>>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups. >>>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active >>>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been >>>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt >>>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had >>>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals. >>>>>> >>>>>> AFAIK they were never an official part of usenet and originally you >>>>>> had to connect to msnews.microsoft.com to access them. However >>>>>> Microsoft closed that server down over 15 years ago. >>>>> >>>>> They were carried by the major players like NIN. Microsoft moved to web >>>>> based forums that it could control content to avoid the criticism in the >>>>> news groups. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not entirely true. >>>> At the time, circa 2010 >>>> - NNTP was old technology >>>> - Spam and Flame Targets >>>> - NNTP traffic declined(50% less than prior year, 80% less than 2008 >>>> >>>> >>> What are you saying is not true? >>> Yes, NNTP traffic was falling, but that doesn't mean Microsoft wanted to >>> move discussion to somewhere where they had absolute control. >> >> Sorry, meant to say: >> >> Yes, NNTP traffic was falling, but that doesn't mean Microsoft DIDN'T >> want to move discussion to somewhere where they had absolute control. > > Absolute Control wasn't the primary reason. > Nor were you party to why the business decisions focused elsewhere. > > - Flaming and targeting MSFT employees that were monitoring the NNTP > groups was rampant. > - In 2010, Outlook Express was no longer a supported product. Windows > Live Essentials already had 2 yrs of online forum and feedback support. > Windows 8 already in beta stage with no included email client and Live > Mail the only MSFT news/mail product supported was the focus. > Note: While Live Mail included nntp support, it was only a courtesy > inclusion. Live Mail was first and foremost intended for use with MSn, > Hotmail, Live *Microsoft Accounts*(for Mail, Contacts, Calendar, > SkyDrive(later renamed to OneDrive) *and* all capable of two-way > sync-ability. > -i.e. no reason to support nntp when the product direction, support > and feedback were already in place online and other online > channels(social media - Twitter, Reddit, etc.). Additionally, no real > business reason to internally support 3rd party email/news clients that > provided none of the sync features that the Windows Live Essentials > suite(Mail, PhotoGallery, Movie Maker, Writer, Messenger) provided. > > Yes, localizing support to MSFT turf can be interpreted as a 'control' > reason, but more important reasons and objectives existed. > You seem to be suggesting that the main - or at least a major - reason for them leaving usenet was that they no longer wanted to support NNTP. But the discussions in those newsgroups covered a lot more than just their NNTP client; there might have been one specific 'group that did, I can't remember, but they were wide-ranging, covering all aspects of - well, for example, as Newyana2 lists, VB, vbscript, and XP, to name but three; such discussion of such subjects were not really affected by whether an NNTP client was supported or not. An interesting parallel was (were?) the demon.* 'groups; several of the main newsservers carried those, and continued to do so when Demon became only a fond (or otherwise!) memory. (In fact as far as I can see several tens of them are still there, though I don't know how active.) Not a complete parallel, as AFAIK they were never part of a closed server. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible... Er... "And he went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou likewise (Luke 10:37)."
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Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-20 17:43 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:45 +0200
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:09 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:15 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-22 07:39 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 10:28 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:33 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:23 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 02:07 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:12 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 18:33 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 22:41 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 07:43 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-09-25 07:32 -0500
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 13:20 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2026-09-25 09:49 -0500
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 21:09 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:34 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-26 22:23 +1000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-27 07:40 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:22 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 11:39 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:49 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 11:04 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-25 21:12 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 11:06 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-28 20:45 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:20 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-29 07:48 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 19:58 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-30 07:38 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:20 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-09-30 14:54 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:11 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 10:17 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 10:13 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 17:57 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 14:23 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 18:49 +0000
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 15:17 -0400
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:27 +0100
Re: OT - Microsoft newsgroups "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 00:40 -0400
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