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Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate?

From Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
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Subject Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate?
Date 2026-09-24 09:37 +1200
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Chris wrote:
>>  1. We know EXACTLY when cell phones came into being, Chris.
>>  2. We know EXACTLY what the accident rate is before, during & after.
> 
> Why does a correlation of those numbers have any meaning? You're assuming
> that the before, during and after are directly comparable. Are they? Has
> nothing else changed in that period?
> 
>> The fact the accident rate shows NO CHANGE from the downward trend
> 
> You've only shown three numbers. That's nowhere near enough to make any
> categorical statements. Either one way or the other.

Hi Chris,

The whole point of this thread is to force people to challenge propaganda.

You bring up good questions, where something mysterious might have happened
(where I joke it must be intelligent aliens) to EXACTLY counter the
astoundingly sudden spike in accidents that the common hypothesis predicts.

Mysteriously, this counteraction
 a. EXACTLY counters EXACTLY the cellphone ownership rise and plateau
 b. EXACTLY in time, duration, and in numbers

Amazing. 
It's so amazing that I claim only very intelligent Aliens could do it.

In fact, your claim is so amazing as to be utterly absurd.
Why can't you accept the fact that the accident rate did NOT spike, Chris?

What's wrong with the data?
The data is good data. Nobody professional objects to the data, Chris.

That data is very reliable. 
 a. Number of accidents
 b. Divided by miles driven

Those who claim that's "cherry picked data" are simply showing that they
own a religious belief system that can't handle it's basic good data.

Now, I'm like anyone, where I read that cellphones were an added
distraction, but what makes me different than most, is that I can think.

I looked for the accident rate to spike.
It didn't.

Why not? 
I think I know why, but that's not the question in this thread.

If cellphones had any measurable effect on the accident rate, show it.
So the question in this thread is why do people believe that it did?

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Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 00:28 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-17 17:26 -0500
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:41 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 00:43 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-09-18 02:34 +0000
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 11:12 +0100
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:56 +0300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 05:52 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-18 07:41 -0500
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 19:18 +0300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-20 15:08 -0400
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:23 +1200
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 01:49 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-09-21 06:32 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:44 +0300
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-23 15:13 -0400
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 09:45 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 00:42 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-25 07:41 -0400
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 20:01 +0530
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 07:40 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 13:11 +0000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 +0800
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 18:07 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-18 10:18 -0500
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-18 14:44 -0400
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 00:11 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 13:05 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-18 23:03 +0100
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-19 10:08 +1200
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:35 +0300
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-19 04:51 +0100
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 07:02 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:28 +0000
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 22:58 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 15:05 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:28 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 07:09 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:20 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 21:00 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 14:31 +1300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 08:32 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 06:26 +1400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 06:47 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 21:35 +1000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-19 09:04 -0500
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 14:12 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-19 11:24 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 22:18 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 11:11 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:30 +1200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:02 +0200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 03:18 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-19 19:51 +0100
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 07:38 +1000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:42 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 08:02 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-19 10:34 -0400
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:13 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:57 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:27 +0300
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 15:42 -0500
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 00:13 +0300
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 16:45 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 03:13 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-09-21 22:13 -0700
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 18:18 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 18:20 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-09-21 23:48 -0700
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +1200
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-19 17:09 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:37 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-23 16:41 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 06:11 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-24 03:10 +0000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 00:22 +1200
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-24 16:30 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 05:40 +1200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 07:24 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-30 09:56 -0600
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 20:26 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-01 00:17 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 07:49 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-01 18:09 +0900
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 20:47 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 11:08 +0900
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 09:20 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:36 +0200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-04 17:05 -0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Black Republican <black.republican@jury.duty> - 2026-10-05 06:35 -0400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 13:25 -0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Black Republican <black.republican@jury.duty> - 2026-10-01 06:26 -0400
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 13:45 +0200
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 08:07 -0700
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 11:31 -0500
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:55 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:58 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:25 +1200
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 07:09 +0000
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:34 +0300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:39 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 16:07 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 02:11 +0800
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 06:22 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:53 +0200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 08:59 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 21:15 +0000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 13:26 +1200
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-21 21:30 -0400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 15:43 +1400
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 08:44 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 06:25 +1400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 17:40 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 09:37 +1200
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 21:37 +1000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-10-03 19:04 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-04 10:55 +1300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-05 09:11 -0700

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