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Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate?

From Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.autos.tech, rec.autos.driving
Subject Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate?
Date 2026-09-20 23:58 +0300
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The Real Bev wrote:
> Carlos, this may be the beginning of all-AI arguments on usenet. 
> Probably not a good thing :-(

Hi The Real Bev,

You haven't been on c.m.a for a while, so you must be coming from 
elsewhere. Good to see you.

Remember, more than one person noted I knew the answer more than a decade 
ago to this question, and it has only gotten more definitive with another 
decade of data, all collected well before AI was a "thing" available to us.

The good data has been collected in the USA for over a century, all of 
which predates, AI, and people who know me know I've presented this prior.

But, I challenge Carlos to use AI to test the data itself.
I ask Carlos to paste the posts which I provided the data to AI.

And for Carlos to ask AI if the data is correct.
That would be a useful use of AI if Carlos can find a hole in my argument.

He won't be able to, though.
I wonder if anyone has noticed I'm the only one who actually provided data?

Everyone who tried to refute the data did so in one of these ways:
 1. They claimed they knew a sister of a friend who had a car accident
    by someone who owned a cell phone so of course, cell phones raised
    the accident rate.

 2. They claimed cell phones are a distraction (which, by the way, I don't
    think anyone disagrees with, least of all me), so, of course, to them, 
    adding one distraction to the thousands inherent in driving must, 
    to them, have vastly increased the accident rate.

 3. Some tried pithy aphorisms to refute all facts that belie their 
    religious belief system, such as the "Correlation isn't causation", 
    and yet, it's clear they never even *looked* at the data presented.

What I'm trying to do, clearly, is the same as if I told a man that an 
astronaut wasn't weightless while orbiting even though they think she was.

People who lack scientific minds will believe anything that sounds logical.
-- 
On Usenet, old friends discuss topics of interest to learn from each other.

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Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 00:28 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-17 17:26 -0500
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:41 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 01:05 +0100
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 00:43 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-09-18 02:34 +0000
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 11:12 +0100
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:56 +0300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 05:52 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-18 07:41 -0500
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 19:18 +0300
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 19:26 +0100
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-20 15:08 -0400
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:23 +1200
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 01:49 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Old John <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-09-21 06:32 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:44 +0300
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-23 15:13 -0400
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 09:45 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 00:42 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2026-09-25 07:41 -0400
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 20:01 +0530
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 07:40 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 13:11 +0000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 +0800
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 18:07 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-18 10:18 -0500
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-18 14:44 -0400
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 00:11 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:08 +0100
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 13:11 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 13:05 +0300
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-18 23:03 +0100
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-19 10:08 +1200
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 02:35 +0300
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-19 04:51 +0100
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 07:02 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:28 +0000
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 22:58 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 15:05 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:28 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 07:09 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:20 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 21:00 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 14:31 +1300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 08:32 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 06:26 +1400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 06:47 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 21:35 +1000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-19 09:04 -0500
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 14:12 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-19 11:24 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 22:18 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 11:11 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:30 +1200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:02 +0200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 03:18 +0300
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-09-19 19:51 +0100
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 07:38 +1000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:42 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-19 08:02 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-19 10:34 -0400
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:13 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-19 14:57 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:27 +0300
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 15:42 -0500
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 00:13 +0300
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 16:45 -0500
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 03:13 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-09-21 22:13 -0700
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 18:18 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 18:20 +1200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? multistrada <ab@in.valid> - 2026-09-21 23:48 -0700
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +1200
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2026-09-19 08:19 -0700
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-09-19 21:51 +0100
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-19 17:09 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:37 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-23 16:41 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 06:11 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-24 03:10 +0000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 00:22 +1200
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? bp@www.zefox.net - 2026-09-24 16:30 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-25 05:40 +1200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 07:24 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-30 09:56 -0600
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 20:26 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-01 00:17 +0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 07:49 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-01 18:09 +0900
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 20:47 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-02 11:08 +0900
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 09:20 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:36 +0200
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-04 17:05 -0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Black Republican <black.republican@jury.duty> - 2026-10-05 06:35 -0400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-10-05 13:25 -0300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-06 10:04 +1300
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-05 16:13 -0700
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Black Republican <black.republican@jury.duty> - 2026-10-01 06:26 -0400
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 13:45 +0200
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 08:07 -0700
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> - 2026-09-20 11:31 -0500
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:55 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-20 23:58 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-21 10:25 +1200
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 07:09 +0000
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:34 +0300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 12:39 +0300
      Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 16:07 +0000
        Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 02:11 +0800
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 06:22 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:53 +0200
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 08:59 +1200
          Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 21:15 +0000
            Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 13:26 +1200
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-09-21 21:30 -0400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-22 15:43 +1400
              Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 08:44 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 06:25 +1400
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 17:40 +0000
                Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-24 09:37 +1200
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-23 21:37 +1000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Gordy Watt <saasce@here.now> - 2026-09-26 15:18 +0000
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-10-03 19:04 +0000
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-10-04 10:55 +1300
    Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-05 17:16 -0700
  Re: Why do people claim cellphone use increased the USA accident rate? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-10-05 09:11 -0700

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