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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design, alt.history.ancient-worlds, sci.crypt |
| Subject | Re: google reads your mail |
| Date | 2026-09-16 23:57 +1000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <118e78j$3dtto$2@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <MzNpS.147373$NMu2.60570@fx15.ams4> <1188akn$1bbl3$1@dont-email.me> <IHcqS.304380$yky7.20660@fx09.ams4> <118dv1f$3apsl$3@dont-email.me> <qxwqS.469103$5D1.167495@fx06.ams4> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 16/09/2026 11:08 pm, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 16/09/2026 7:37 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: >> On 16/09/2026 12:34 am, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 14/09/2026 4:18 PM, Don Y wrote: >>>> On 9/14/2026 12:42 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>> On 14/09/2026 11:48 AM, Don Y wrote: >>>>>> On 9/13/2026 2:41 PM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:1186v8b$tqg8$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>> On 9/13/2026 8:51 AM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:1185hd5$dajo$2@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2026 11:20 PM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> nslookup -type=MX ieee.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Non-authoritative answer: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 40, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>>>> alt3.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 50, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>>>> alt4.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>>>> aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 20, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>>>> alt1.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 30, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>>>> alt2.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>>> Many organizations have outsourced their email to google. >>>>>>>>>> There is obviously value in: >>>>>>>>>> - mapping the relationships between communicating parties >>>>>>>>>> - reading their correspondence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Those of us who don't always want our correspondence read >>>>>>>>> will find other ways to communicate. >>>>>>>> Or, ensure nothing being said needs to be shielded from prying >>>>>>>> eyes! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [A friend used to claim he "had nothing to hide". I noted that >>>>>>>> he didn't leave his financial statements "lying around"...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email is a postcard -- every hand that it passes through has a >>>>>>>> chance to read its contents (doubly so if those hands are >>>>>>>> electronic in nature!). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So let them read about your vacation, unaware of the >>>>>>> steganographically encoded message in the picture. >>>>>> Steganalysis can detect the presence of certain types of hidden/ >>>>>> encoded data. >>>>>> >>>>> /Can/ does not imply that a run of the mill three letter agency >>>>> stegana- >>>>> lyst will. Now, I admit I do not have any of their tool-kits, so I >>>>> wouldn't off hand know what they do and don't detect if they start >>>>> look- >>>>> ing. I am however fairly certain I can devise a method to hide infor- >>>>> mation undetectable by the amateur antisteganographer [1]. >>>> >>>> Having access to tools and a near-endless stream of data (in digital >>>> form best suited to such analysis), I wouldn't doubt *someone* has >>>> already >>>> considered (and acted upon?) the idea. "Amateurs" likely have neither >>>> the tools nor the access. >>> >>> Oh, my original idea -- the one I was thinking of for the challenge -- >>> is almost certainly /well known/ in the three letter agency world. But >>> given the brief overview of a tool used by a /security expert/, I forgot >>> which or maybe it wasn't named, it didn't seem to be a standard feature. >>> >>> Then, if I make a custom implementation, there's no guarantee a three >>> letter agency tool will catch it. Just add a little bit of twist, and >>> it may well bypass the filters the three letter agencies use. >>> >>> Or trigger an alert if a /well known adversary/ has used it before. >>> It's kind of 50/50 that way. >>>> >>>> [When I worked for KCP, a "three letter agency" approached us to >>>> customize a version of our product. It was easy to see how it could >>>> be used -- and abused -- so we declined their "offer".] >>>> >>>>> I also feel no need to explain to the public at large how I'd do >>>>> so, but >>>>> you are free to raise a challenge if you think it amounts to >>>>> something. >>>> >>>> There are *countless* ways of "hiding information", especially if the >>>> bandwidth (or, total amount of data) is unspecified. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, you could for example use /Linear A/, and relatively few people in >>> the world would be able to tell you're using English -- or another mod- >>> ern language -- rather than whatever language it was originally used >>> for. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A >> >> None. Linear A doesn't seem to have been deciphered yet, and there >> aren't enough sample of it around to suggest that it ever will be. >> >> There weren't all that many more example of Linear B, but enough. > > Dear Bill, > > /Linear A/ is a script, not a language. I never implied it had been > deciphered, but you can absolutely use it to write English. You even > get to make up your sound values. Not a trivial task. > Now please direct yourself to the nearest juniour high school, and work > on improving your reading comprehension. Your own needs some work. I never claimed that linear A was a language - it's a writing system. It will have been devised to write down elements of at least one language - the roman alphabet we use is used to write down several. My late wife was a world class psycholinguist and I don't think a junior high school would have much to teach me. American secondary education isn't wonderful, and it probably wouldn't have taught me any more than Tasmanian secondary schools did back when I was reading about the decipherment of Minoan linear B. > Best wishes, and happy reading! Wishing me into an American junior high school isn't a good wish. I've been reading happily for many years now, but selectively, and reading the nonsense they they serve up - about America being a exemplary democracy - would not be a pleasant experience. Occasionally amusing, but I'd have to hide my amusement. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:02 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:20 -0400
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:18 -0700
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:21 -0700
Re: google reads your mail TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 17:41 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 02:36 +1000
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:46 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 15:41 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 12:57 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:53 -0700
Re: google reads your mail liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 14:28 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 07:58 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:15 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 11:48 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:05 -0700
Re: google reads your mail liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-14 09:19 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 02:24 -0700
Re: google reads your mail antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 15:08 +0000
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 08:31 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-13 22:55 +0200
Re: google reads your mail antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 00:37 +0000
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Re: [. . .] reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:34 -0400
Re: [. . .] reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:21 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-12 19:35 +0100
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:52 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-13 12:21 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 07:27 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-13 15:16 +0000
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 15:48 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 02:20 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:55 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 11:51 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 12:58 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:41 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 20:48 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:42 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 01:18 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-15 22:34 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 21:37 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-16 21:08 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 23:57 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-16 23:39 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 16:51 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-17 02:43 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 23:34 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-17 08:43 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:36 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-18 22:04 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 02:25 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-19 22:03 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 16:13 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-20 08:09 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 18:25 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:33 +0200
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 05:48 -0700
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:50 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-14 03:03 +0800
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Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 02:02 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-16 20:24 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 17:03 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-17 11:01 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 03:42 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-17 20:39 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 22:25 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 08:54 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:36 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 09:44 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:59 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 10:04 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:39 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-18 18:27 +0100
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:17 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 02:36 +1000
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 07:51 -0700
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