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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design, alt.history.ancient-worlds, sci.crypt |
| Subject | Re: google reads your mail |
| Date | 2026-09-16 21:37 +1000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <118dv1f$3apsl$3@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <11875b7$1nj$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <1187qra$169gd$1@dont-email.me> <MzNpS.147373$NMu2.60570@fx15.ams4> <1188akn$1bbl3$1@dont-email.me> <IHcqS.304380$yky7.20660@fx09.ams4> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 16/09/2026 12:34 am, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: > On 14/09/2026 4:18 PM, Don Y wrote: >> On 9/14/2026 12:42 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>> On 14/09/2026 11:48 AM, Don Y wrote: >>>> On 9/13/2026 2:41 PM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:1186v8b$tqg8$1@dont-email.me... >>>>>> On 9/13/2026 8:51 AM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:1185hd5$dajo$2@dont-email.me... >>>>>>>> On 9/12/2026 11:20 PM, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>>>>>> nslookup -type=MX ieee.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Non-authoritative answer: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 40, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> alt3.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 50, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> alt4.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 20, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> alt1.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>>> ieee.org MX preference = 30, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> alt2.aspmx.l.google.com >>>>>>>> Many organizations have outsourced their email to google. >>>>>>>> There is obviously value in: >>>>>>>> - mapping the relationships between communicating parties >>>>>>>> - reading their correspondence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those of us who don't always want our correspondence read >>>>>>> will find other ways to communicate. >>>>>> Or, ensure nothing being said needs to be shielded from prying eyes! >>>>>> >>>>>> [A friend used to claim he "had nothing to hide". I noted that >>>>>> he didn't leave his financial statements "lying around"...] >>>>>> >>>>>> Email is a postcard -- every hand that it passes through has a >>>>>> chance to read its contents (doubly so if those hands are >>>>>> electronic in nature!). >>>>> >>>>> So let them read about your vacation, unaware of the >>>>> steganographically encoded message in the picture. >>>> Steganalysis can detect the presence of certain types of hidden/ >>>> encoded data. >>>> >>> /Can/ does not imply that a run of the mill three letter agency stegana- >>> lyst will. Now, I admit I do not have any of their tool-kits, so I >>> wouldn't off hand know what they do and don't detect if they start look- >>> ing. I am however fairly certain I can devise a method to hide infor- >>> mation undetectable by the amateur antisteganographer [1]. >> >> Having access to tools and a near-endless stream of data (in digital >> form best suited to such analysis), I wouldn't doubt *someone* has >> already >> considered (and acted upon?) the idea. "Amateurs" likely have neither >> the tools nor the access. > > Oh, my original idea -- the one I was thinking of for the challenge -- > is almost certainly /well known/ in the three letter agency world. But > given the brief overview of a tool used by a /security expert/, I forgot > which or maybe it wasn't named, it didn't seem to be a standard feature. > > Then, if I make a custom implementation, there's no guarantee a three > letter agency tool will catch it. Just add a little bit of twist, and > it may well bypass the filters the three letter agencies use. > > Or trigger an alert if a /well known adversary/ has used it before. > It's kind of 50/50 that way. >> >> [When I worked for KCP, a "three letter agency" approached us to >> customize a version of our product. It was easy to see how it could >> be used -- and abused -- so we declined their "offer".] >> >>> I also feel no need to explain to the public at large how I'd do so, but >>> you are free to raise a challenge if you think it amounts to something. >> >> There are *countless* ways of "hiding information", especially if the >> bandwidth (or, total amount of data) is unspecified. >> > > Yes, you could for example use /Linear A/, and relatively few people in > the world would be able to tell you're using English -- or another mod- > ern language -- rather than whatever language it was originally used > for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A None. Linear A doesn't seem to have been deciphered yet, and there aren't enough sample of it around to suggest that it ever will be. There weren't all that many more example of Linear B, but enough. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:02 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:20 -0400
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:18 -0700
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:21 -0700
Re: google reads your mail TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 17:41 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 02:36 +1000
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:46 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 15:41 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 12:57 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:53 -0700
Re: google reads your mail liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-13 14:28 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 07:58 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:15 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 11:48 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:05 -0700
Re: google reads your mail liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-14 09:19 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 02:24 -0700
Re: google reads your mail antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 15:08 +0000
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 08:31 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-13 22:55 +0200
Re: google reads your mail antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 00:37 +0000
Re: [. . .] reads your mail Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-12 18:12 +0000
Re: [. . .] reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:34 -0400
Re: [. . .] reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 13:21 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-12 19:35 +0100
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 12:52 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-13 12:21 +0100
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 07:27 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-13 15:16 +0000
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 15:48 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 02:20 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-12 23:55 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 11:51 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 12:58 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 17:41 -0400
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-13 20:48 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:42 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-14 01:18 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-15 22:34 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 21:37 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-16 21:08 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-16 23:57 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-16 23:39 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 16:51 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-17 02:43 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 23:34 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-17 08:43 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-18 15:36 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-18 22:04 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 02:25 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-19 22:03 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 16:13 +1000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-20 08:09 +0000
Re: Patents (was Re: google reads your mail) Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 18:25 +1000
Re: google reads your mail "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:33 +0200
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 05:48 -0700
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 08:50 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-14 03:03 +0800
Re: google reads your mail someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-16 14:00 +0000
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 02:02 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-16 20:24 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-17 17:03 +1000
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-17 11:01 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 03:42 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2026-09-17 20:39 -0700
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 22:25 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 08:54 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:36 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 09:44 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:59 -0700
Re: google reads your mail Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 10:04 -0600
Re: google reads your mail Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-18 09:39 -0700
Re: google reads your mail chrisq <syseng@gfsys.co.uk> - 2026-09-18 18:27 +0100
Re: google reads your mail "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-19 00:17 +0800
Re: google reads your mail Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-20 02:36 +1000
Re: google reads your mail john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-17 07:51 -0700
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