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Re: Ralph's Paradox

From "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Ralph's Paradox
Date 2026-09-08 14:38 +0200
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Den 07.09.2026 09:15, skrev HenryWilson:
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 22:33:50 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
>> Den 05.09.2026 20:18, skrev HenryWilson:
> 
>>>>
>>> Paul, don't try to avoid the truth. Stop preaching irrelevancies and
>>> concentrate on the paradox.  Please answer the only question that
>>> matters:
>>>
>>> "Does the reading of clock A advance by (a) TWO DIFFERENT PURE NUMBERS
>>> during the opposite transits as PREDICTED BY EINSTEIN and Os or by (b)
>>> THE SAME NUMBER, as also PREDICTED by Einstein via Om?"

Read the answer below.

> 
> I did read it and already replied.
>   
>> If you find something wrong in the below, state exactly what you think
>> is wrong, and what you think is right.
>>
>> You never responded to the post where I proved you wrong.
>> So I will repeat it here: (a couple of typos corrected)
> 
> You didn't prove me wrong because what you posted was entirely irrelavant
> to my paradox. It is obviously beyond you ability to understand.
>   
>>
>> Ralph's figure in the OP:
>>          A____Om_____B ->v          moving frame
>> C____C_____C___C_____C__Os__C       stationary frame
>>
>> The "C-clocks" are coordinate clocks in the stationary system (SS).
>>
>> The speed of light is isotropic c in the SS.
>>
>> Clock A and B are at the ends of a rod with length rAB.
>> The rod is moving with the speed v relative to the SS.
>>
>> The C-clocks co-located with A and B always show the same,
>> A and B are synchronous in the stationary frame.
>> ================================================
>>
>>
>> Event 1: Light pulse is emitted from A. A and C₁ show tA.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>      A_________B ->v
>> C____C₁_______C₂_____C₃_____C____C   All Cs show tA
>>        x₁
>> C₁ and A are at the position x₁ at event 1.
>> The coordinates of event 1 are (x₁,tA)
>>
>> Event 2: Light pulse hits B and is reflected. B and C₃ show tB.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>           A_________B ->v
>> C____C₁______C₂_____C₃_____C____C  All Cs show tB.
>>        x₁             x₃
>> C₃ and B are at position x₃ at event 2.
>> The coordinates of event 1 are (x₃,tB)
>>
>> Since B is moving at the speed v in the SS, we have:
>> (x₃-x₁) = rAB + v⋅(tB - tA)
>> Since the speed of light is c in the SS, we have:
>> c⋅(tB - tA) = rAB + v⋅(tB - tA)
>>
>> (tB - tA) = rAB/(c-v)
>> =====================
>>
>> Event 3: Light pulse hits A. A and C₂ show tA'.
>>                A_________B ->v
>> C____C₁______C₂_____C₃_____C____C  All Cs show tA'.
>>        x₁      x₂     x₃
>> C₂ and A are at position x₂ at event 3.
>> The coordinates of event 3 are (x₂,tA')
>>
>> Since A is moving at the speed v in the SS, we have:
>> (x₃-x₂) = rAB - v⋅(tA'- tB)
>> Since the speed of light is c in the SS, we have:
>> c⋅(tA'- tB) = rAB - v⋅(tA'- tB)
>>
>> (tA'- tB) = rAB/(c+v)
>> =====================
>>
>> All the times and distances are measured in the SS.
>> But tA and tA' are times shown by clock A while tB is shown by clock B.
>> tA, tA' and tB are "pure numbers" independent of frames of reference.
>>
>> (tB - tA) > (tA'- tB)

According SR's definition of simultaneity this
means that clock A and clock B are not synchronous.
That means that clock B is some offset F ahead or
behind clock A.
That means that neither (tB - tA) nor (tA' - tB)
are transit times.
The transit times are (tB-F - tA) and (tA' - tB + F)

The transit times are equal.

Newton would understand that if you are measuring
the transit times between two clocks by reading one
clock at emission, and the other at reception,
then the clocks have to be synechrounous.
> 
> 1) So SR predicts the reading of clock A will ADVANCES by two different
> numbers during the opposite transits.


The sum of the transit times are:
(tB - tA)+(tA'- tB) = (tA' - tA)

clock A advances (tA' - tA) between event 1 and event 3.
So A advances (tA' - tA)/2 during the opposite transits.

>   
>> So far everything is correct according to both Newtonian Mechanics with
>> Galilean Relativity and SR.
>>
>> Now we consider the rest frame of clock A and B.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> According to SR the speed of light is c in this frame.
>>
>> SR predicts that the transit times between A and B are equal in both
>> directions.
>>
>> Note that (tA'- tB)+(tB - tA) = (tA' - tA)
>> Transit time T = (tA'- tA)/2.
>>
>> To be in synch, tB should show T.
>> However, tB shows T + F where F is a positive offset.
>>
>> T = tB-F
>>
>> (T - tA) = (tA' - T)
>> (tB - F - tA) = (tA' - tB + F)
>> F = tB - (tA' - tA)/2
>>
>> Clock B is F ahead of clock A.
>> So clock A and clock B are not in sync.

Which is the very point in Einsteins thought experiment.

> 
>> =======================================
>>
>> Still not got it?
>>
>> The transit time from A to B is (tB - F - tA)
>> The transit time from B to A is (tA' - tB + F)
>>
>> (tB - F - tA) = (tA' - tB + F)
> 
>> The transit times are  equal as predicted by SR.
> 
> 2) Yes, So SR predicts the reading of clock TA will advance by THE SAME
> number during the opposite transits.

Right.

Case closed.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-03 23:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-05 18:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-06 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 07:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-08 14:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-08 19:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-09 19:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-09 23:28 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-10 20:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-11 07:47 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-11 20:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-12 10:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 00:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-13 11:10 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-14 01:51 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 15:39 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-14 22:12 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-15 05:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 04:59 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-12 21:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-12 22:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:31 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 01:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-13 22:23 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-13 22:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-14 21:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-14 23:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-15 13:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-15 13:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-15 23:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-16 20:36 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-16 20:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-16 22:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 06:30 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 05:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 07:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 11:18 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 11:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-17 21:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:01 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:58 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-18 11:49 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:33 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-18 11:09 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-19 14:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-19 14:34 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 11:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 11:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-20 13:43 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 15:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-20 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 09:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:25 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 10:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 12:54 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 13:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 16:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:25 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 17:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 15:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 18:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:20 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-21 19:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:41 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 07:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:17 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 11:52 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 09:58 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:14 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:21 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:29 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:32 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 10:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 12:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:17 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 14:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 15:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:16 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:18 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 17:26 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 15:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:01 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:04 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:24 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:26 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:55 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:04 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:12 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 19:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-22 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-23 07:11 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 09:19 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:46 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-22 21:55 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 00:38 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 17:44 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:36 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-25 23:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 19:12 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 08:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 05:39 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-26 21:00 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-26 13:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-27 00:45 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:06 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-24 19:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:40 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 23:47 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:09 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 19:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-24 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 12:07 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 18:56 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-21 21:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-23 17:03 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-24 21:52 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-25 01:22 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:53 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 17:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 23:55 +0000
                Deflection of light, gravitational redshift (was: Ralph's Paradox) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-09-27 07:33 +0200
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 09:40 -0700
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-27 10:19 -0700
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 06:01 +0000
                Re: Deflection of light, gravitational redshift Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 09:30 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 05:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 20:33 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-22 14:02 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-09-29 13:11 +0300
                Re: Ralph's Paradox ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-29 10:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-23 01:07 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-23 20:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:53 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-24 22:28 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-25 09:43 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-26 10:48 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-26 10:11 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-27 23:35 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-28 06:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-28 19:32 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 11:15 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Little Bakadorov <elaloda@laooe.ru> - 2026-09-28 18:41 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 12:25 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Mathieu Esipov <uiao@ehemmi.ru> - 2026-09-28 20:27 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-28 22:47 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:27 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:35 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:00 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:05 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:55 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:04 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Filiberto Bestolov <tr@btrloiit.ru> - 2026-09-27 18:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-09-22 15:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:42 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-17 19:44 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-17 22:41 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-18 05:29 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-18 07:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:54 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 08:56 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 09:06 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-17 20:08 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:02 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:50 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-17 20:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-18 20:16 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 15:33 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-19 22:23 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-19 17:43 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 10:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 07:34 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-20 16:03 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 13:44 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-21 19:15 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-21 22:26 -0700
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-22 17:56 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2026-08-27 13:06 +0000
  Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:15 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:48 +0200
    Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 16:49 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 15:28 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 17:37 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 09:35 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:56 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 19:17 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:27 -0700
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 12:29 -0700
          Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 20:17 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 15:58 -0700
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:48 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:03 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 06:09 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 07:50 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:57 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 16:57 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 16:27 +0000
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 16:42 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:49 +0000
            Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 17:07 +0000
    Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 17:35 +0000
      Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-21 21:04 +0200
        Re: Ralph's Paradox HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-21 22:28 +0000
          Re: Ralph's Paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-22 22:03 +0200
            Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-22 22:41 +0200
              Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:24 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 15:20 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 13:46 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 16:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:19 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:21 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:38 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 15:51 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 17:59 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:00 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:15 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:35 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:45 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 16:48 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 18:53 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:02 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:14 +0200
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-23 17:22 +0000
                Re: Ralph's Paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 19:28 +0200
      Re: Ralph's Paradox nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-22 21:43 +0200
  Re: Ralph's Paradox "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 14:24 -0700

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