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Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

From Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil
Date 2026-09-08 18:06 +1000
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On 8/09/2026 12:01 am, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 10:10:43 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/7/26 00:50, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 22:31:59 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/6/26 22:09, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 21:12:50 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/6/26 20:54, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 20:19:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/26 16:55, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Sep 2026 15:08:37 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.09.26 um 12:50 schrieb john larkin:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Sep 2026 06:38:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/isar-aerospace-second-launch-norway-andoya-spaceport-spectrum-rocket
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil
>>>>>>>>>>>> News
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Mike Wall
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last updated 10 hours ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is right now making history — making history for Spectrum,
>>>>>>>>>>>> making history for Isar, making history for Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's truly historic, only 70 years behind the Russians.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course NASA helped a little.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's it for?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is that NASA thing? Do they still build stuff or do they
>>>>>>>>>> channel only $$$ to DT's friends nowadays?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So many people have lost their tiny minds over Trump. He's a great
>>>>>>>>> President for that alone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He's unmatched at causing mayhem and bankrupting your country, that's
>>>>>>>> for sure. He'll be remembered as the most inept US president in
>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a thread in sci.electronics.design, about a satellite launch, most
>>>>>>> people would rather talk about Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They must dream about him all night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Larkin
>>>>>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
>>>>>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off-topic subjects aren't all that unusual here, you know quite well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you *really* believe only 18 US service members lost their lives in
>>>>>> your Iran war? Were all these fired-on US bases mostly empty perhaps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The 18 is most likely correct, as it's just about impossible to keep
>>>>> such a secret in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> The people in those bases know they are targets, so they don't stray
>>>>> from cover much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> We shall see. It's abundantly clear that Trump gravely underestimated
>>>> Iran's ability to fight back.
>>>
>>> That's certainly true.  Millenarianist Theocracies are not
>>> democracies, and simply don't care how their populations fare.
>>
>> I got the impression that Trump doesn't really care about US people
>> either. His creed is money, more money, no matter the consequences.
> 
> But the US is a democracy, so he does have to care, far far more than
> any Ayatollah or Emperor ever did.

The US is a decidedly imperfect democracy, and Trump can only get thrown 
out of power before the end of his term if he is successfully impeached. 
He was impeached twice during his first term and the imperfections in 
the US quasi-democratic system meant that the US senate wouldn't even 
look at the evidence that the house of Representatives had assembled.

If the Republicans lose badly enough in the incipient mid-term elections 
he may eventually get thrown out.

>>> But eventually there is a successful revolt, when the population has
>>> literally nothing left to lose.
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>> I think you are mistaken there. For the moment, they unite against
>> their foreign aggressor.
> 
> The Iranian population and their governments may have different
> opinions.

But the government has ways of discouraging expressions of popular 
opinion. It take a lot of organisation to create a popular outcry on a 
scale that the government can't repress.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 06:38 +0000
  Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 03:50 -0700
    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 11:18 +0000
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:54 -0700
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-06 16:54 +0000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:00 +1000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 07:58 -0700
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:55 +1000
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-08 08:03 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-08 17:26 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 17:29 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-09 02:49 +1000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-06 18:36 +0000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 11:29 +0100
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-09-09 15:36 +0100
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:22 +0000
    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 12:53 +0100
    Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 15:08 +0200
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 07:55 -0700
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:19 +0200
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 11:54 -0700
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 20:08 +0100
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 21:12 +0200
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 13:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:15 +1000
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 16:09 -0400
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 22:31 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-06 18:50 -0400
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-07 10:10 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil joegwinn@comcast.net - 2026-09-07 10:01 -0400
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 18:06 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-08 21:15 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-08 23:58 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 20:37 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-12 10:33 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:21 +1000
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-06 23:33 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 22:53 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:03 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 18:59 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-10 19:37 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 18:04 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 23:21 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-06 15:56 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:38 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:01 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:21 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 09:43 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 17:44 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.duckdns.org> - 2026-09-14 10:27 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:26 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 10:23 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:37 +0100
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-07 11:15 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:03 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:30 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-07 07:19 +0000
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-07 16:09 +1000
              Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-07 08:07 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-08 02:51 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-09 19:47 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-09 13:08 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:24 +0000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-12 16:37 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-12 09:55 +0200
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:18 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 01:37 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 09:07 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 03:46 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-12 08:07 -0700
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-13 04:00 +1000
                Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-09-10 02:50 +0200
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-06 20:24 +0200
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-06 17:48 -0300
      Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-09 17:45 +0000
        Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 18:35 +0000
          Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-11 20:46 +0200
            Re: OT: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-09-11 19:46 +0000

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