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Google holds the keys to the AI kingdom [WebClaw Dominance] (Was: Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting)

From Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics
Subject Google holds the keys to the AI kingdom [WebClaw Dominance] (Was: Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting)
Date 2026-09-03 09:42 +0200
Message-ID <117b8de$1je8u$1@solani.org> (permalink)
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Hi,

You thought kubernets holds the keys to the
enterprise kingdom. Then you were bombarded
by OpenClaws, PrologAgents and WebPrologs,
over the last months.

Now from a market perspective and how devtools and
google controls browsers, despite there exists
the living standard for the non-devtools part.
The devtools part becomes the trust part.

The W3C specs can mandate all the clean, open
standards they want on paper, but whoever controls
the runtime inspector, the policy enforcement hooks,
and the agentic debugging surface inside

the browser holds the real keys to the kingdom.
When an AI agent interacts with a page via something
like navigator.modelContext, the trust doesn't come from
the living standard text — it comes from the browser

vendor's DevTools inspecting the schema, auditing the
tool execution payloads, and enforcing the security
boundaries. Google now dictates the trust model
precisely because they control how those tool
contracts are verified, sandboxed, and

certified in practice.

Bye

BTW: They have also a nice interaction inspector,
to play around with your website and AI assitant
combo. It looks not exactly like what the MCP

foundation had and what was copied by WebProlog,
with their log tiles. It combines the "declarative"/
"interactive" interaction with the NLP Text interaction:

WebMCP - Model Context Tool Inspector
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/webmcp-model-context-tool/gbpdfapgefenggkahomfgkhfehlcenpd


Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> What if a Prolog system can draw enough processing power,
> by tapping into the GPU of budget laptop that shows the
> web page? And run locally in a ServiceWorker. The WebMCP
> 
> use case Le Petit Bistro is already such that it also has a
> ServiceWorker for the Gemini stub. But the envisioned variant of a
> ISOMICRO model would neither need a Gemini API token,
> 
> nor would it need WebSockets or HTTP for communication. It
> would all be WebMCP inside the conglomerate of website and
> workers. The small language model is loaded into the ServiceWorker
> 
> and run on the GPU. Here my contribution to this idea:
> 
> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop
> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
> 
> Work in progress cannot demonstrate a Prolog assistant yet.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I really wonder what use cases Web Prolog trinity would
>> have. Would Web Prolog trinity reach in its scope into
>> the domain of AI chat bots inside a web page? Ok, google
>>
>> has hijacked the term “declarative”, when an AI chatbot
>> assistant helps fill out a HTML form. And it uses the term
>> “imperative” when the AI chatbot calls JavaScript routines.
>>
>> Could be related to the ACTOR model who knows. Although
>> the hijacking is not optimal, I like the thinking in levels, that are
>> related to states, just like Torbjörn Lager exercises in his 400
>>
>> pages, although google does maybe a bender, when it calls
>> a form submit, and hence a HTTP POST, declarative.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> See also:
>>
>> WebMCP
>> https://developer.chrome.com/docs/ai/webmcp
>>
>> Here the newly arrived browser integration:
>>
>> Le Petit Bistro
>> https://googlechromelabs.github.io/webmcp-tools/demos/french-bistro
>>
>> image
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I miss an ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog, a profile
>>> that can run on small embedded devices, and only
>>> single threaded. Like Python can do for example.
>>>
>>> I deleted my previous post, since it drifted into
>>> high performance computing. It was a reaction of
>>> mine, to these results and how they were viewed.
>>>
>>> Web Prolog result:
>>>
>>> 100,000 4.749 s
>>>
>>> I get this here:
>>>
>>> /* 100'000 iterations */
>>> ?- between(1,3,_), time(ping_pong), fail; true.
>>> % Zeit 97.020 ms, Benutzer 2 %, Lips 735 k
>>> % Zeit 95.040 ms, Benutzer 1 %, Lips 1057 k
>>> % Zeit 98.740 ms, Benutzer 1 %, Lips 974 k
>>> true.
>>>
>>> But the results have a few drawbacks. They use a highly
>>> specialized π-WAM Prolog subset and a highly specialized
>>> Hack VM backend. Also the ping pong code was optimized.
>>>
>>> So I guess this high performance view is too specifiec
>>> for the actor model. So to get a more general comparison,
>>> I tried something else. I used a Python implemented Prolog
>>>
>>> and a Python asyncio.Future implemented one element
>>> channels, the later equals SWI-Prolog queues with max_size=1.
>>> Finally I used the classical ping pong. Now with PyPy as the Python
>>>
>>> runtime the results are, 6x times faster than the shared database
>>> on a SWI-Prolog server provided by Torbjörn Lager. Difficult
>>> to judge maybe my machine is just 6x times faster? One could
>>>
>>> install PyPy, download Dogelog Player and run it on the server:
>>>
>>> ?- between(1,3,_), time(ping_pong(100000)), fail; true.
>>> % Time 812.000 ms, User 54 %, Lips 5977 k
>>> % Time 703.000 ms, User 53 %, Lips 6915 k
>>> % Time 766.000 ms, User 64 %, Lips 5339 k
>>> true.
>>>
>>> But this makes me ask, where would one see using for
>>> example SWI-Prolog Engines for the actor model, so that it
>>> becomes competitive to asyncio.Future? Any idea how to do it?
>>>
>>> I guess asyncio.Future only uses a micro queue or something.
>>> This would give the ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog, a profile
>>> that can run on small embedded devices single threaded.
>>>
>>> The opposite of high preformance computing (HPC).
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>> https://trinity.elfenbenstornet.se/
>>>
>>> P.S.: Here the source code, first what was used for validation:
>>>
>>>   classic ping pong with channels and with logging
>>> And the validation output:
>>>
>>>   log of running N=3
>>> And what was used for benchmarking:
>>>
>>>   classic ping pong with channels and without logging
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>  > Hi,
>>>  >
>>>  > Ok, that was quick. While my AI Laptops were
>>>  > around > 1000 CHF. The Mac Neo was around
>>>  >  > 500 CHF. So we went already form AI Laptop
>>>  >
>>>  > to AI Notebook in a few months. Now Aduino
>>>  > is playing pionier, having a CPU with a NPU
>>>  > on board, some Qualcomm thingy.
>>>  >
>>>  > New Arduino Ventuno Q: Better than Raspberry Pi?
>>>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQS_xWsU00I
>>>  >
>>>  > The specs:
>>>  >
>>>  > Octa-core ARM Cortex CPU
>>>  > Adreno GPU and Hexagon AI processor (up to 40 TOPS)
>>>  > 16GB LPDDR5 RAM and 64GB eMMC storage
>>>  > M.2 slot for NVMe SSD expansion
>>>  >
>>>  > The cost is around 300 CHF.
>>>  >
>>>  > Bye
>>
> 

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              Prolog inferencing and not canvasing fancy stuff (Re: Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:42 +0200
                It’s called . . . . enshittification (About the price tag for using a multifile/1) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-14 00:49 +0200
        First AI laptops, now AI single-boarders [Budget, Budget, ..] (Was: NPUs doing 2d chess comms (Manhattan Distance or L1 Norm)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-26 00:07 +0200
          Food for thought: ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog (Was: First AI laptops, now AI single-boarders [Budget, Budget, ..]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-31 18:02 +0200
            Food for thought: Le Petit Bistro as a Trinity Use Case (Was: Food for thought: ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
              Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting (Re: Food for thought: Le Petit Bistro as a Trinity Use Case) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-02 21:55 +0200
                Google holds the keys to the AI kingdom [WebClaw Dominance] (Was: Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0200
      Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Was: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:46 +0200
        npm install webgpu [Google Dawn] (Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 03:03 +0200
          GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 00:01 +0200
    Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 09:17 +0200
      Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) x3 <x@x.net> - 2026-08-08 11:45 -0700
        Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk** (Was: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:02 +0200
          Ethernal September Idiots Gone (Was: Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk**) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:15 +0200
      Six Proofs and Generally Inteligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism] (Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 15:19 +0200
        Everybody does eat and sleep [The SK hynix Story] (Was: Six Proofs and Generally Intelligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 18:47 +0200
  Even send_color and recv_color can block [Cerebras Waver] (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:39 +0200
  GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 14:35 +0200
    What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip] (Was: GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 18:05 +0200
      The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels] (Re: What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:25 +0200
        The luminaries of duct-tape engineering [Sweeney and Torvald] (Re: The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:54 +0200
  Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-09 21:19 +0200
    Re: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:56 +0200
    Giant Shoulders for AI Surprises (Was: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:57 +0200
      Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:23 +0200
        How to shoot yourself in the foot (Was: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:42 +0200
        William A. Howard solved all his 99 problems (Re: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-23 01:47 +0200
  Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 14:31 +0200
    More from the Trailer Park Boys (Re: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 19:41 +0200
      Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL) (Was: More from the Trailer Park Boys) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-16 13:23 +0200
        Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping (Re: Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-19 13:17 +0200
          Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 10:23 +0200
            Re: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:09 +0200
            A real Terence Tao Ingestion Problem (Was: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:10 +0200
              The A2A project: Agent cards for collaboration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:30 +0200
    Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence" (Was: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:00 +0200
      The Ben Goertzel talkie genes (Was: Re: Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:06 +0200
        Philosophy Departments lead in GenAI Adoption? (Was: The Ben Goertzel talkie genes) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 20:11 +0200

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