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Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers
Date 2026-08-26 14:54 +0000
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Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 20:11:13 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:46:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What exactly have Apple done?
>>> 
>>> Implement their own answer to Microsoft’s WSL2 -- their own
>>> official mechanism for running Linux on Mac.
>> 
>> And yet you've shown no evidence of this.
> 
> You really have no clue??
> 
> <https://github.com/apple/container>

Neither is it anything like WSL2 nor is it there to run "linux" (sic)
software that won't run on macOS. It's simply an Apple Silicon native
container solution. If you don't need to run containers then the vast
majority of OSS applications available on linux will run just fine. 

Like I've repeatedly said there is no *need * for containers for typical
commandline junkies.

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My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-15 09:19 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 09:28 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 12:58 -0400
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-08-15 14:03 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-15 17:19 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-15 16:59 -0500
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 03:09 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 00:06 +0000
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 20:27 -0400
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:15 +0200
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 12:42 +0000
              Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 11:47 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:01 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 00:22 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 02:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 07:14 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:52 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 07:08 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 13:44 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:24 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:22 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-18 03:50 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:53 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 14:07 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 18:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:26 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:33 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:46 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 06:59 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:37 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 02:36 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 07:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 04:10 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-21 03:35 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-21 05:36 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-21 17:35 +0100
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-21 13:19 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 05:44 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-22 12:02 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-26 09:06 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 13:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 20:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 02:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 06:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 14:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 16:10 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:31 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-27 12:48 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:51 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-02 11:35 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 13:39 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 00:32 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:28 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 07:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-28 06:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 16:51 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 21:43 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 17:55 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 22:05 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 18:12 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 03:39 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 00:01 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 04:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 00:41 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 17:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 14:09 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 04:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 15:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:16 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 02:32 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:32 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:53 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 02:33 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 06:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:16 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:10 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:11 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 01:40 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 03:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:57 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-26 05:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:30 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 03:11 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:51 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:30 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:25 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-28 12:59 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:28 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 18:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 14:58 -0400
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