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Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers
Date 2026-08-23 20:11 +0000
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Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:46:31 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:19:00 +0200, John Bokma wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 21/08/2026 09:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 04:10:34 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing of the sort. There's no need for a linux kernel by Apple
>>>>>> nor anyone else.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But if you want access to container technology, and Apple and
>>>>> Microsoft obviously do, there is no choice but Linux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And then of course there is all that “Unix” software, most of
>>>>> which seems designed for Linux and runs poorly if at all on Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> MacPorts has 41,567 active ports. Which of those run poorly on a
>>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> Enough to force Apple to do something about it, obviously.
>> 
>> What exactly have Apple done?
> 
> Implement their own answer to Microsoft’s WSL2 -- their own official
> mechanism for running Linux on Mac.

And yet you've shown no evidence of this. Provide a source please. 

> You can understand Microsoft having to do it, since their OS doesn’t
> claim to be “Unix”. But Apple ...
>

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  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 09:28 -0400
  Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 12:58 -0400
    Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-08-15 14:03 -0400
      Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-15 17:19 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-15 16:59 -0500
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-16 03:09 -0400
        Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 00:06 +0000
          Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 20:27 -0400
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:15 +0200
            Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 12:42 +0000
              Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-16 22:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 11:47 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:01 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 00:22 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 02:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 07:14 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:52 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 07:08 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 07:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 13:44 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:24 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 23:22 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-18 03:50 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 23:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 17:53 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 14:07 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 18:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:26 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:33 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:46 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 06:59 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 23:37 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 02:36 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-20 07:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-20 04:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 04:10 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-21 03:35 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-21 05:36 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-21 17:35 +0100
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-21 13:19 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 05:44 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-22 12:02 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:55 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-26 09:06 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 13:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 22:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 20:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-24 02:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 06:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 14:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-26 16:10 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:31 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-27 12:48 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:51 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-02 11:35 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 13:39 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 00:32 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 01:25 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 15:34 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:28 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 07:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-28 06:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 16:51 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 21:43 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 17:55 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 22:05 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 18:12 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 03:39 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 00:01 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 04:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 00:41 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 17:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 14:09 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 04:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 15:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:16 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 02:32 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:32 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:53 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 02:33 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 06:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:16 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:10 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 15:35 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 13:46 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-23 01:40 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 03:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-26 06:57 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-26 05:45 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-27 02:30 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-27 05:15 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 03:11 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 13:51 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:30 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:25 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-28 12:59 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:18 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 08:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:28 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 18:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 14:58 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 21:58 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:24 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 20:40 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 22:01 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:34 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 23:04 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 19:07 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 00:08 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 20:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 16:42 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 00:09 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 11:51 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 07:11 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 03:18 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 13:39 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:52 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-03 01:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:30 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-29 12:13 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:36 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:02 +0000
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:49 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 18:02 -0400
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                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 02:54 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:09 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 04:00 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-02 07:05 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 13:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 03:42 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 23:50 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 04:09 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 13:45 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 12:28 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 17:29 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-08-30 14:03 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 14:20 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 21:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-30 21:56 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 04:27 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 06:22 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-01 09:14 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:47 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-02 11:47 +0200
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-28 08:09 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 04:17 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 00:38 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 17:47 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-29 06:28 -0400
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 17:36 +0000
                Re: My biggest issue with Apple also affects PC manufacturers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:26 +0000
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