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Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET

From "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET
Date 2026-08-25 13:36 +0200
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Den 25.08.2026 04:29, skrev HenryWilson:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 23:04:47 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
>> Den 24.08.2026 20:21, skrev HenryWilson:
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 14:38:59 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Den 23.08.2026 21:04, skrev HenryWilson:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 21:15:59 +0200, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 20.08.2026 01:19, skrev Henry Wilson:
>>>>>
> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Newton says light's wavelength is absolute. The optical path lengths
>>>>> are equal to 2πR(c-v)/c and 2πR(c+v)/c, the difference being 4πRv/c.
>>>>> Dividing that by the wavelength gives the correct equation for fringe
>>>>> displacement, 4πRv/cλ (or 4Aѡ/cλ).
>>>>
> 
>>>
>>> There is a lot more to my above equation than I have stated.
>>> Before continuing, I would like to know what you think the
>>> 'interference pattern' of a FOG or pulsed laser gyro actually looks
>>> like.
>>
>> There are two kind of optical gyroscopes, Fiber Optic Gyroscopes (FOG)
>> and Ring Laser Gyroscopes (RLG). They are very different in that FOGs
>> only measure the rotation, that is ω , while RLGs measure the angle
>> rotated since the gyro was started.
>> RLGs are preferred in inertial navigation system (INS) because it quite
>> directly gives the orientation of it axis. In FOGs the angle is the
>> integral of ω.
>>
>> Pulsed laser gyros is a variant of the RLG.
>> In RLGs there is a minimum angle which can be detected. To overcome this
>> problems the RLG is vibrating fast so that it rotates back and forth
>> more than the minimum angle. Another way to overcome the problem is to
>> pulse the laser. The pulsed RLG will be more precise than an ordinary
>> RLG.
>>
>> A FOG is a ring of optical fibre, usually with many turns.
>> At one point there is a monochromatic light source (laser)
>> which is sending light in both direction. This will give a standing wave
>> pattern in the fibre ring. The position of the maxima and minima will
>> depend on the rotation speed.
>>
>> When the two light beams have gone around the loop and are back at the
>> source, the phase difference will be proportional to the rotation speed
>> ω, Δϕ ≃ 8πAω/λc .
>> There are different ways of measuring this phase difference.
>> Look it up.
> 
> I have tried and it is not explained properly.
> 
>>> I think it just flips for black to white during an angular acceleration
>>> and the amount is then integrated with time to give rotation.
> 
> How can a 'line of fringes' be produce from a 5000 turns of a 100 micron
> fibre?
> Is some kind of optical wedge used?
>   
>> ????
> 
> During acceleration, the brightness exiting the fibre must be cycling
> between 100% light and dark. I want to know how is that presented and
> monitored?
> 
>>> At any constant rotation speed, the interference pattern should be the
>>> same and static.
>>
>> Yes, the standing wave pattern is static, but the position of the maxima
>> and minima relative the source will depend on the rotation speed ω'
> 
> Yes. The pattern, whatever that is, moves only during an acceleration and
> remains where it is when that ceases.
> 
>>> The pulsed laser method greatly improves the integration accuracy..
>>
>> But a pulsed ring laser is not a FOG.
>>
>> But there may be pulsed FOGs, for all I know.
>>
>>>> It is remarkable that the index of refraction n doesn't appear in the
>>>> equation Δϕ = 8πNAω/λc, but I have shown exactly why it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Interferometry is generally not sensitive to light speed. Its constant
>>> wavelength is the important factor. In FOGs coherence length another.
>>> That is one reason why all experiment involving interferometry that
>>> claim to refute BaTh are fundamentally flawed. The moving mirror
>>> experiments of Q. Majorana are good examples of that. They actually
>>> serve to verify BaTh, not refute it.
>>
>> Most experiments will confirm more than one theory.
>>
>> Your BaTh is falsified by several experiments.
> 
> Name one. You will find that the full ramifications of BaTh have not been
> properly considered.
> 
>> SR is not falsified by any experiment.
> 
> It is true that MEASURED light speed can always appear to have the value c
> by applying imaginary mathematical transforms appropriately. That aspect
> of SR is workable...but insane, overly complicated and unnecessary...and
> it does not prove or even suggest that light moves at the same speed c
> through space.
> 
>> Not being falsified is more important than being confirmed!
> 
> It is falsified but you will have to buy my almost ready book to see how
> and why.
> 
>>>> And then you can't escape from addressing the "Fizeau phenomenon".
>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Fizeau_by_Michelson.pdf
>>>> https://paulba.no/div/FizeauByMM.pdf
>>>
>>> Nobody has a firm theory about this phenomenon. It is not clear what
>>> the correct answer should be...or why.
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous.
> 
> Sorry that appears to be true. There are many conflicting arguments about
> this experiment. You have probably only read the ones that support
> Einstein.
> 
>> SR explain "this phenomenon" very well.
> 
> So do many other theories, including BaTh...but the phenomenon itself is
> not understood.
> 
>> https://paulba.no/div/FizeauByMM.pdf See equation (16) and (17).
>>
>> Einstein's velocity transformation equation again!
> 
> 
> Let light speed 'u' always have the value c
> 
> u = c
> = c(c-v)/(c-v)
> = (c-v)/(1-v/c)
> = (c-v)/[(1-(cv/c^2))
> = (u-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)] ...where v can have any value.
> 

>> Will you now continue?

The question was if you would continue with your derivation of
the equation Δϕ = 8πNAω/λc.

Are you giving up?

> 
> You are proving light speed = c by assuming light speed = c.
> 

You must be _very_ ignorant of elementary logic if you think
that Einstein's thought experiment is meant to prove that
the speed of light is c in all inertial frames.

I have told you many times what a thought experiment is,
but you never learn and do still not know it.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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  Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:41 +0000
    Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
      Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-18 10:43 +0200
      Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 20:44 +0200
        Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 18:30 +0000
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-23 23:45 +0200
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-24 11:55 +0200
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-24 16:13 +0200
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-24 08:04 -0700
    Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-18 01:38 +0000
    Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-18 11:36 +0000
      Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-18 11:52 +0000
        Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-18 12:39 +0000
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-18 12:56 +0000
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-18 18:09 +0000
              Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 20:07 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-19 23:28 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-20 21:08 +0200
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 13:18 +0200
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-19 15:34 +0200
              Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 20:19 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:47 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 06:53 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 08:14 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 10:33 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 08:59 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 11:31 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 09:35 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 12:30 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 13:54 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 16:25 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 14:36 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 16:58 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:00 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 17:14 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:25 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 17:40 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:42 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 17:53 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 19:43 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-23 22:28 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 17:21 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-24 19:48 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-08-24 22:16 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-25 06:23 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-25 11:36 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-20 20:43 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 20:53 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-20 07:03 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 06:50 +0200
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-19 23:19 +0000
              Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-20 21:15 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-23 19:04 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-24 14:38 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-24 18:21 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-24 22:01 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-25 01:59 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-25 11:16 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-25 11:26 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-26 11:07 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-26 14:19 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-26 15:40 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-26 19:45 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-26 23:00 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-27 06:02 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 07:42 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-27 07:43 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-28 09:59 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-24 23:04 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-25 02:29 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-25 06:52 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-25 11:16 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-28 23:58 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-29 13:10 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-29 13:13 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-30 05:32 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-30 11:06 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-31 08:33 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-25 13:36 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-26 20:56 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-27 13:37 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-28 20:02 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-28 23:51 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-28 11:06 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-28 12:01 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-29 11:34 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-29 11:35 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-29 14:30 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-30 05:41 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-30 11:50 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-30 11:06 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-31 07:59 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-31 13:36 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-01 11:07 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-01 14:30 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 07:28 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-01 14:51 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-01 17:16 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-01 10:52 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-09-01 11:23 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 11:59 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-01 20:44 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-01 22:11 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 18:04 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-01 23:35 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 18:05 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-01 20:32 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-01 20:52 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-01 21:59 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-02 21:13 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-02 21:21 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-03 23:10 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-04 10:25 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-04 21:12 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-05 12:14 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-05 19:04 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-09-06 11:55 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-06 11:44 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-06 10:48 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-06 11:38 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 02:08 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-06 14:52 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-06 14:55 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 08:56 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 07:26 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-07 14:29 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 07:55 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 08:03 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-07 15:12 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 08:42 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 10:43 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 16:13 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-07 16:15 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 10:24 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 19:05 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:35 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 23:44 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 17:40 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-08 02:25 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:07 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:09 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:24 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:27 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-09-08 15:42 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-08 17:44 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 08:54 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-08 17:42 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-08 18:34 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 18:15 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-09 23:13 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:01 -0700
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-10 17:41 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 02:13 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-09-07 12:44 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-09-06 20:20 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-09-07 02:28 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-09-02 07:20 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-28 20:30 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-30 05:07 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-30 11:58 +0300
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> - 2026-08-31 08:07 +0000
                Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-08-31 13:34 +0300
  Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 09:20 -0700
  Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-18 21:30 +0200
    Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-18 23:29 +0000
      Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 11:37 +0200
  Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0200
  Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0200
    Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Henry Wilson <Henry@home.com> - 2026-08-19 23:13 +0000
      Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-20 21:25 +0200
        Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-20 21:29 +0200
        Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-20 15:50 -0700
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-21 11:34 +0200
            Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-21 11:52 +0200
          Re: The experiment that sinks both SR and LET Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-22 12:09 -0700

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