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Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not

From Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Subject Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not
Date 2026-08-14 16:33 -0600
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Python wrote:
> Le 14/08/2026 à 18:36, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>> On 8/14/2026 3:09 PM, Python wrote:
>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 15:02, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>> On 8/14/2026 2:42 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 14:37, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 2:31 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 14:18, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:53 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 13:50, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:32 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 13:13, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 12:53 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 12:51, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 10:40 AM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/08/2026 à 08:13, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/14/2026 1:57 AM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You claim that GPS uses a physical model different from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then one of two things must be true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either you know that model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you do not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about - I know its part [one of the  chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulates]?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again: your mad Shit is postulating clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be  identical. GPS (and any sane people as well)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is  postulating clocks to be synchronized. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the same and it is excluding each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you know it, then you should be able to state at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least its equations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or predictions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do not know it, then you cannot legitimately 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicts relativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, poor piece of shit - your opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of what I can or not is utterly worthless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a simple logical mistake in your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep contrasting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "identical clocks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "synchronized clocks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as if they were mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, your idiot guru has proven they are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an idiot but he was right in that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, your own sentence disproves your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say Einstein "proved" that identical clocks and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> synchronized clocks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are equivalent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, poor piece of shit, I say he proved
>>>>>>>>>>>> they're mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The idiot was soooooo proud that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the clocks he invented won't keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> sync....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is now:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     "Einstein proved that identical clocks and synchronized 
>>>>>>>>>>> clocks are
>>>>>>>>>>>     mutually exclusive."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly the opposite of what Einstein does in his 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1905 paper.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The construction is:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     1. Take two clocks "in all respects resembling one another".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     2. Synchronize them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     3. Ask what happens after they follow different worldlines.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the initial event the clocks are therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - synchronized.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the two properties cannot possibly be mutually exclusive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, a single counterexample disproves your claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take two identical atomic clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Place them side by side.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adjust them so that both display
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     12:00:00.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they identical?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they synchronized?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     identical AND synchronized
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is perfectly possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Conversely, the two notions are logically independent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two clocks may be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical but not synchronized;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - synchronized but not identical;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - identical and synchronized;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     - neither.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no logical contradiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The word "identical" refers to the physical properties of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The word "synchronized" refers to the values displayed by the 
>>>>>>>>>>> clocks at a
>>>>>>>>>>> given event according to a synchronization procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those are different concepts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your last sentence is also incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You write:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     "The idiot was so proud that the clocks he invented won't 
>>>>>>>>>>> keep sync."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein did not invent clocks that "refuse to stay 
>>>>>>>>>>> synchronized".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he did. You know it very well - you're
>>>>>>>>>> just such a pathetic piece of lying shit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a property of spacetime geometry, not a defect of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> clocks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The clocks are just great - they don't work,
>>>>>>>>>> but it's "spacetime" to blame, not the inventor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go fuck yourself, poor, poor, poor brainwashed
>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are changing the statement again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Special relativity does not say that clocks "don't work".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't give a damn to what your insane
>>>>>>>> Shit mumbles or not.
>>>>>>>> They're not in sync = they don't work.
>>>>>>>> You may check GPS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your premise is false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Working correctly means
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. In your mad religion correct
>>>>>> is whatever your mad guru announce to
>>>>>> be correct, proper is whatever your mad
>>>>>> guru announce to be proper, good is
>>>>>> whatever your mad guru announce to
>>>>>> be good - and if it doesn't work
>>>>>> it's "spacetime" to blame, not your
>>>>>> mad guru.
>>>>>> I know that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, go fuck yourself, poor, poor, poor,
>>>>>> poor brainwashed idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maciej,
>>>>>
>>>>> You keep repeating
>>>>>
>>>>>     "not synchronized = not working."
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeating it does not make it true.
>>>>>
>>>>> As someone who repeatedly presented himself as an information 
>>>>> engineer,
>>>>> you know perfectly well that these are different concepts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider a distributed computer system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two perfectly functioning clocks may differ by
>>>>>
>>>>>     10 us,
>>>>>     10 ms,
>>>>>     or 10 s.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are no longer synchronized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that mean every oscillator suddenly stopped working?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It simply means they accumulated different elapsed times and must be
>>>>> resynchronized.
>>>>>
>>>>> GPS is exactly the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Satellite atomic clocks are excellent clocks.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > They are not "broken".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what a postulate of some made idiot
>>>> is asserting, sure.
>>>> GPS staff (and myself) has another postulate,
>>>> however. So - yes, they are.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway - the idiot has proudly proven that
>>>> his perfect differently clocks will not keep
>>>> sync (except of some practically almost
>>>> unreachable special cases). While he was an idiot
>>>> - he was right about that. Yes, identical
>>>> and synchronized clocks exclude each other.
>>>
>>> Maciej,
>>>
>>> Now you are making a very strong claim.
>>>
>>> You write that GPS engineers consider satellite clocks to be "broken".
>>
>>>
>>> No, they do not.
>>
>> No, they do not. Why would they?
>> The clocks indicate t'=t with good accuracy, just
>> like the engineers assumed they should.
>>
>> If they were identical and fitting your SI idiocy -
>> it would be definitely incorrect for the engineers,
>> however.
> 
> Maciej,
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> This is actually progress.
> 
> A few messages ago you claimed that GPS engineers consider satellite
> clocks "broken."
> 
> Now you say something different.
> 
> You write:
> 
>     "The clocks indicate t'=t with good accuracy."
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> That is the synchronization objective of the GPS system.
> 
> It is not a statement that the clocks are defective.
> 
> In fact, you have now silently abandoned your previous claim that
> 
>     not synchronized => broken.
> 
> Because if the clocks naturally drift away from t'=t and are then
> corrected back to t'=t, they are not broken.
> 
> They are simply being synchronized.
> 
> That is exactly how every distributed timing system works.
> 
> More importantly, you still have not answered the central question.
> 
> How does GPS know what correction to apply?
> 
> The answer cannot be
> 
>     "because we want t'=t."
> 
> That is merely the objective.

No no, I consider this backwards motion. The equation should be

   t_0 = t_1.

The apostrophe is reserved to show the derivative, that is the velocity 
of time. t' is the rate at which time is increasing = 1 second per 
second. It should not be equal to the time.

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                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-08-11 22:15 +0200
                Re: Doees The Shit of Einstein predict any measurement results or not "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-08-12 21:11 +0200
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