Re: Resources to learn common lisp?

From	Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Resources to learn common lisp?
Date	2026-08-13 19:01 +0200
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On 2026-08-13 17:25, Anton Antimo wrote:
> Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 2026-08-13 04:18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 10:16:25 +0200, bixbox wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On the subject of Common Lisp, I find it more than disturbing when
>>>>> a codebase lacks the basic usage of hash tables.
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.sbcl.org/manual/#hash-table-extensions
>>>>
>>>> unless you find some code base that use hash table all over the place.
>>>> :)
>>> Perl was a major advance on, I would say, two counts: it popularized
>>> regular expressions, and it popularized hash tables.
>>
>> Regexps were popular from many Unix tools before Perl came up.
> 
> It was Ken Thompson who first put them in such practical use.  And I
> would guess it was in ed.  And from ed, grep sprung as an executable.

Yes, and add all the grep variants, then sed, awk, pager programs,
ex/vi, expr, and more (tcl, m4, lex may be amongst them but I'm not
sure they had regexps from the beginning).

And there was a C-library available, so one could easily add regexp
functions to own tools!

> 
>> And hash tables were popular from Awk, which influenced Perl as well.
> 
> And the reason I don't use Perl myself: if the program gets larger, I
> choose Common Lisp.  The rich syntax of Perl has never been too kind on
> me, but I always wrote Perl happy (unlike Java, which always had the
> same fate of Basic [to me]).

Oh, I've never seen Java and Basic mentioned in one sentence before.

At least we have got some nice abbreviated forms for regex elements
from Perl; mostly syntactic sugar, maybe, but very useful, IMO. Good
that they spread also into other regexp supporting tools so that you
don't have to buy Perl just for the accommodating regexp formulations.

Janis

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Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:17 +0800
  Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-31 12:21 -0300
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 01:48 +0800
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-05 13:13 -0300
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 21:48 +0000
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-06 09:05 +0200
          Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C (was: Re: Resources to learn common lisp?) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 05:33 +0800
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-10 01:11 -0700
              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:10 -0700
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-10 17:41 -0300
              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-10 23:53 +0000
                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-11 14:29 +0000
                kqueues and port_create() (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:51 +0800
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-11 20:59 -0700
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:07 +0800
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 03:23 -0400
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:50 +0000
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:33 +0800
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-12 02:22 -0700
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2026-08-12 20:55 -0400
                Re: kqueues and port_create() Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:37 +0800
                Re: kqueues and port_create() "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 12:59 -0700
                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
              D.N.S. in Common Lisp (was: Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 07:59 +0800
                Re: D.N.S. in Common Lisp Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-12 09:01 -0300
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-12 13:18 +0800
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? bixbox <noreply@example.invalid> - 2026-08-12 10:16 +0200
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-13 02:18 +0000
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-13 04:56 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-12 21:13 -0700
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-13 12:25 -0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-13 19:01 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-13 14:50 -0700
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-14 08:27 -0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-15 03:18 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 02:47 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-14 12:20 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-16 15:37 -0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-08-14 12:17 +0000
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-14 16:31 +0200
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-13 11:29 +0800
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-08-14 15:30 +0300
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-14 16:45 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-08-14 17:15 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-08-14 19:51 +0200
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-08-14 12:05 -0700
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 22:46 +0000
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 07:38 +0800
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:26 -0400
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-01 09:08 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-01 07:49 -0400
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:37 +0000
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 16:54 -0700
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? tfb <tfb@work.it.out> - 2026-08-02 07:39 +0000
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:39 -0400
    Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 23:59 -0400
      Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-01 16:12 +0800
        Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-04 22:50 -0400
          Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:02 +0800
            Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 19:36 -0400
              Re: Resources to learn common lisp? Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-09 02:11 +0800
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? steve g <Sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-08-09 18:49 -0400
                Re: Resources to learn common lisp? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-10 13:08 -0700

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