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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics |
| Subject | Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) |
| Date | 2026-07-21 01:05 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <113m9ki$4jts$1@solani.org> (permalink) |
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Hi, I didn't try yet escaping the browser with WebGPU / WGSL. Only did inside the last 24 hour another experiment, escaping Workers from the browser. And found that I can easily use Workers in node.js. But the story goes that WebGPU / WGSL could be quite attractive, across UX and non-UX, i.e. headless: "Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. WebAssembly began as a browser technology but quickly grew into a universal runtime with standalone engines like Wasmtime and Wasmer. WebGPU appears to follow the same path. With bindings for Node.js, Deno, C++, and Rust engines like Bevy [6], developers can already run WebGPU workloads outside the browser. This positions WebGPU not just as a graphics API, but as a long-term portability layer for GPU compute and rendering across ecosystems." https://blog.4dpipeline.com/client-side-ai-is-here-how-webgpu-transforms-your-gpu-server-economics Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > Concerning programmig means of GPUs, > "CUDA edge" refers to the massive competitive > advantage NVIDIA holds in artificial intelligence > due to its proprietary parallel computing platform, > CUDA (Compute Unified Device Architecture). > > WebGPU and WGSL (WebGPU Shading Language) > represent a massive shift in AI because they > bring high-performance hardware acceleration > directly to the web browser without relying > on proprietary ecosystems like CUDA. > > Developed by the W3C GPU for the Web > Community Group, this standard allows web > applications to interact directly with native > graphics APIs like Microsoft DirectX 12, > Apple Metal, and Vulkan > > Bye > > Some WebGPU show cases: > > Frameworks like WebLLM leverage WebGPU to > run large language models locally inside > browsers like Google Chrome, providing > completely private, offline AI assistants. > > Developers use libraries like Hugging Face > Transformers.js v3 to run computer vision, > speech recognition, and natural language > processing tasks directly on consumer > laptops and smartphones. > > Mild Shock schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> You guys are not paying attention. GPU is 10x >> more performant than CPU for certain integerish >> payload on the pi-WAM. 11.4 GLips on a GPU is >> >> ca 10x more than 1.7 GLips on a CPU: >> >> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop >> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget >> >> Parallel π-WAM: 1.7 Giga Lips on a CPU >> https://medium.com/2989/8a984e75af44 >> >> So GPUs are by way not dead. Especially since >> they can be accessed via WebGPU / WGSL. But >> the line between GPU and CPU increasingly >> >> blurrs. It already happens for APUs in >> that unified memory puts them into the same >> RAM space. But the programming means differ. >> >> Also unified memory doesn't mean that >> the GPU sees memory the same way as a CPU. >> To get a taste how a GPU sees memory: >> >> Memory Model >> Execution Barriers >> Fence and Address Spaces >> Memory Model GFX6-GFX9 >> Memory Model GFX90A >> Memory Model GFX942 >> Memory Model GFX10-GFX11 >> Memory Model GFX12 >> Memory Model GFX125x >> >> https://llvm.org/docs/AMDGPUUsage.html >> >> WebGPU / WGSL seems to have good support, >> since it can have Vulkan, Direct 12, or Metal >> as GPU low level interface. Maybe more >> >> platforms, something NVIDIA I guess. But I >> don't know the details, how this is all done. >> >> Bye >> >> R Kym Horsell schrieb: >>> In comp.lang.prolog Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 07/20/2026 05:10 AM, Mild Shock wrote: >>> .. >>>> Forget GPUs and forget you too. >>> >>> The joke ends "and the pig likes it". >>> >> >
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Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-04-24 02:46 +0200
AI dooms day escape: Güttinger Wald (Re: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-04-25 14:06 +0200
Elmos Fascist Dreams of a 365 Prolog (Was: AI dooms day escape: Güttinger Wald) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-05-09 12:52 +0200
Even the Buddos are clueless [Did Tarau see Liliputians?] (Re: Elmos Fascist Dreams of a 365 Prolog) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-05-09 15:19 +0200
Halfing the AI Laptop Budget: Ne-Meow sold out! (Re: Even the Buddos are clueless [Did Tarau see Liliputians?]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-05-10 09:09 +0200
Prolog Expert Ginis (PEGs) on a Keychain (Re: AI dooms day escape: Güttinger Wald) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-06-20 13:04 +0800
Chatbot Classified as a Weapon (Re: Prolog Expert Ginis (PEGs) on a Keychain) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-06-21 05:39 +0800
Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog] (Re: Prolog Expert Ginis (PEGs) on a Keychain) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-17 11:16 +0200
Not praying to the god of lambda calculus [π beats α] (Re: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-17 11:17 +0200
Re: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog] (Re: Prolog Expert Ginis (PEGs) on a Keychain) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 13:03 -0700
pi in pi-WAM refers to pi-calculus (Was: Introduction to AI Accelerator Prolog [π-WAM of Dogelog] ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 01:16 +0200
Milners fickle() in pi-WAM [For fun and profit] (Re: pi in pi-WAM refers to pi-calculus) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 01:50 +0200
Re: Milners fickle() in pi-WAM [For fun and profit] (Re: pi in pi-WAM refers to pi-calculus) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 01:34 -0700
Robin Milners pi calculus is typeless (Was: Milners fickle() in pi-WAM [For fun and profit]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 10:57 +0200
Can the Church Turing hypotheses be refuted? [TLo @ FOM] (Was: Robin Milners pi calculus is typeless) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-18 11:08 +0200
AI Laptops are just strange novel xBoxes (Was: AI dooms day escape: Güttinger Wald) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-08 20:44 +0200
Re: AI Laptops are just strange novel xBoxes (Was: AI dooms day escape: Güttinger Wald) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 15:22 -0700
TDR solutions --> work slicing (Was: AI Laptops are just strange novel xBoxes) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-09 09:47 +0200
Thinking of Chris M. Thomasson: From shadertoys to computetoys? (Re: TDR solutions --> work slicing) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-09 09:52 +0200
FYI: Unified Memory Architecture (UMA) (Re: Implementing Gas for a Compute Shader [Avoid TDR]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-09 19:43 +0200
The Wider von Neumann Neck (Re: FYI: Unified Memory Architecture (UMA)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 07:51 +0200
The new MIMD Warp is the cherry on top (Re: The Wider von Neumann Neck) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 08:08 +0200
Dumbwit, just run it on your RTX 5070 trash (Re: The Wider von Neumann Neck) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 15:49 +0200
We are still waiting for results! [Confused Dumbwit] (Re: We are waiting Dumbwit: 1 Month, 3 Months, .. [node.js dawn]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 22:45 +0200
404 Brain not Found [GPU saturation] (Re: We are still waiting for results! [Confused Dumbwit]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 23:40 +0200
I nowhere talked about 10GB/s (Re: 404 Brain not Found [GPU saturation]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 23:41 +0200
I nowhere said something about AI (Re: I nowhere talked about 10GB/s) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-10 23:52 +0200
What do you not understand in "budget"? (Re: I nowhere said something about AI) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-11 00:08 +0200
SWI makes only MLips not GLips (Re: What do you not understand in "budget"?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-11 00:09 +0200
micro penis got hurt by "budget" (Re: SWI makes only MLips not GLips) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 19:20 +0200
Micro Penis Nemesis: Shoe String Budget π-WAM (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 19:26 +0200
micro penis struggels with mobile grade GPU concept [Redmi Note 14 Pro+ Results] (Re: Micro Penis Nemesis: Shoe String Budget π-WAM) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 21:32 +0200
Micro Penis Existential Crisis: DeepSeek on a Mobile GPU (Re: micro penis struggels with mobile grade GPU concept [Redmi Note 14 Pro+ Results]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 21:47 +0200
Micro Penis is worse than Sleepy Joe (Re: Micro Penis Existential Crisis: DeepSeek on a Mobile GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 23:00 +0200
Maybe change your pampers? (Was: Micro Penis is worse than Sleepy Joe) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-12 23:01 +0200
herpes blister rossy boy is confused (Re: Maybe change your pampers?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-13 06:54 +0200
nothing gets blocked except your brain [LPDDR5X-RAM] (Re: herpes blister rossy boy is confused) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-13 13:21 +0200
flogging a dead horse PCI VRAM graphic cards (Re: nothing gets blocked except your brain [LPDDR5X-RAM]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-13 13:52 +0200
GPUs evolved from SIMD to MIMD [NVIDIA Volta 2017] (Re: herpes blister rossy boy is confused) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 17:11 +0200
A.D.I.D.A.S. Gopnik lost his screws (Re: GPUs evolved from SIMD to MIMD [NVIDIA Volta 2017]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:58 +0200
I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Re: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:55 +0200
Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 08:33 +0200
The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 13:54 +0200
Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:10 +0200
The large memory tax: ECC RAM (Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:23 +0200
Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 12:26 -0700
Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) R Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 22:20 +0000
Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:39 +0200
Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Was: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:56 +0200
Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:05 +0200
If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI] (Re: Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser.) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:57 +0200
What would an EMACS guru say [Windows Recall] (Re: If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 23:35 +0200
Decide what you critique tiny winy penis (Re: What would an EMACS guru say [Windows Recall]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 08:17 +0200
How confused is tiny winy penis? (Was: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 08:28 +0200
Maybe change your hobby, become a dog owner? (Was: How confused is tiny winy penis?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 09:37 +0200
Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis] (Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:19 +0200
node.js has also Worker isolation , headless (Was: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:29 +0200
Abyss hobby interpretation vs. professional understanding [Keep up with the Kardashians] (Re: node.js has also Worker isolation , headless) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:38 +0200
Play stupid games, win classic Usenet prizes [CCCP Troll] (Re: Abyss hobby interpretation vs. professional understanding [Keep up with the Kardashians]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 12:16 +0200
Glue Sniffing 5-Year Old Moron [CCCP Troll] (Was: Play stupid games, win classic Usenet prizes [CCCP Troll]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:29 +0200
My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? (Re: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:15 +0200
Same nickname and email, could post faster [5 year old moron] (Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:25 +0200
I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch (Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:41 +0200
Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts! (Re: I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:48 +0200
Ask a Ukrainian Neighbour to do Detective [CCCP Troll] (Re: Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts! ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:51 +0200
Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 21:36 -0700
rossy boy is going paranoid (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:01 +0200
Re: rossy boy is going paranoid (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:56 -0700
L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis( Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:35 +0200
GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:40 +0200
Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:02 +0200
Where is micro penis mental error? (Re: Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:07 +0200
I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 23:26 +0200
There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:15 +0200
OpenGL is dead. Apple said bye bye / Wayland Compositor (Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:26 +0200
Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:39 +0200
imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:40 +0200
capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system (Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:41 +0200
Source of the benchmark for DmitryVyukov (Was: capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:44 +0200
Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 16:59 -0700
I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:47 +0200
Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Re: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:02 +0200
Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Re: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 13:34 -0700
Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:09 +0200
Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:53 +0200
Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 18:00 -0700
Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 18:20 -0700
Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:44 +0200
What does pi in pi-WAM mean? (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:53 +0200
OR-parallelism or AND-parallelism? [MapReduce] (Was: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 15:00 +0200
It is all on GitHub , for the 100-th time! (Re: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:13 +0200
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