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| From | dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: Olcott's system |
| Date | 2026-07-12 18:28 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <11314eo$35c5v$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 7/12/2026 6:15 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/12/2026 4:57 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 7/12/2026 5:40 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/12/2026 4:27 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 7/12/2026 5:21 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/12/2026 4:03 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/2026 4:56 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 3:27 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 4:15 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 3:04 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 4:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 2:25 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-12 12:57, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 1:49 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-12 12:00, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 12:29 PM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-12 10:51, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 11:38 AM, André G. Isaak wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-12 08:15, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 3:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I am correct Olcott wants to build a system such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it will convince everybody of the truth. E.g. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he thinks that he will be able to prove that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Trump sentence'" 'Trump lost the elections in 2020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of fraud' is not true. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few questions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) How many petabytes of basic-facts and rules does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he need to construct his proof? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Given that even after 20 years he did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone about the correctness of one 'basic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact', how many peta- years do you think he needs to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince a believer of the Trump sentence that all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his basic facts and rules are correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) How is Olcott going to prove that his system is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct? His system is not able to prove its own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctness, because of a self- reference. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This aspect can be implemented manually by carefully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> searching for the answer to this one question: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was there any actual evidence of election fraud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could have possibly change the outcome of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empirical questions cannot be proven in the sense used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by logicians. They can be supported but not proven. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case it can. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you believe this simply reinforces my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point: You have a *very* different definition of proof >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one used by logicians. It's usually clear from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your posts that you have very different definitions of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many things which is why people keep pressing you for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definition of these terms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The utter and complete failure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce any actual evidence by anyone ever conclusively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proves that the claim has no supporting basis thus is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> baseless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes of course that is perfectly true. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand the absence of evidence within >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the claim of evidence proves a lie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. It demonstrates that he has not provided evidence. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't prove anything one way or another. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that no evidence exists in the entire world >>>>>>>>>>>>> is by itself complete prove that no evidence exists >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the entire world. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between saying that you are unaware >>>>>>>>>>>> of any such evidence or that Trump has failed to supply such >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence and the claim that "no evidence exists in the >>>>>>>>>>>> entire world". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am not saying that dip shit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IT IS A FACT THAT >>>>>>>>>>> There is no actual evidence in the whole world >>>>>>>>>>> of any election fraud at all that could possibly >>>>>>>>>>> change the result of the 2020 presidential election. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IT IS A FACT THAT >>>>>>>>>>> There is no actual evidence in the whole world >>>>>>>>>>> of any election fraud at all that could possibly >>>>>>>>>>> change the result of the 2020 presidential election. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IT IS A FACT THAT >>>>>>>>>>> There is no actual evidence in the whole world >>>>>>>>>>> of any election fraud at all that could possibly >>>>>>>>>>> change the result of the 2020 presidential election. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IT IS A FACT THAT >>>>>>>>>>> There is no actual evidence in the whole world >>>>>>>>>>> of any election fraud at all that could possibly >>>>>>>>>>> change the result of the 2020 presidential election. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where is the evidence of this "fact"? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A proof is a an argument in which the conclusion follows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the premises, i.e. an argument in which it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logically impossible for the premises to be true and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion to be false. Your claim doesn't even remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resemble that. And where empirical claims are concerned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is the additional problem that while logic can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> establish the validity of an argument, logic *cannot* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually establish the truth of empirical premises. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And once again, this is an empirical matter, not one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which can be resolved using formal logic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That no one can possibly provide any actual evidence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of election fraud that could possibly prove that election >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential proves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the absence of evidence, thus the claim is baseless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseless and proven false are two entirely different things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that no evidence exists in the entire world >>>>>>>>>>>>> is by itself complete prove that no evidence exists >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the entire world. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Except you have no proof that "no evidence exists in the >>>>>>>>>>>> entire world" to offer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you seem to be falling back on the >>>>>>>>>>>> *legal* definition of proof, which is very different from >>>>>>>>>>>> the *mathematical* definition of proof; yet you claim to be >>>>>>>>>>>> concerned with the mathematical notion of proof since you >>>>>>>>>>>> seem really bothered by Gödel's claim that there are limits >>>>>>>>>>>> on what can actually be proven. Gödel makes no claims >>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever about legal proofs, so if all you're concerned >>>>>>>>>>>> about is the legal notion you have no reason to be bothered >>>>>>>>>>>> by Gödel. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When Mitchell and Laplace first proposed the idea of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> black hole, they had no evidence that such things existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But to claim that they were therefore proven wrong would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply be false. And we now do have evidence that they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One-two punch Destroys Liars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #WhatIsTheEvidence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ThatIsNotEvidence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around and around until Defeated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristen Welker's (Meet the Press) interview of Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She cornered him and he gave up and left proving that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he has no evidence of election fraud. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How on earth would that constitute proof? You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously have a very idiosyncratic definition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proof'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a fact that no such evidence has ever existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This made his only option to get up and leave in defeat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He could have left for any number of reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rational minds that fully know that no actual evidence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists will not equivocate on this point. That you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivocate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proves that there is something up with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think you know what the word 'equivocate' actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> means. Where have I equivocated? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Equivocate means to intentionally use vague, ambiguous, >>>>>>>>>>>>> or double-meaning language to conceal the truth, mislead >>>>>>>>>>>>> listeners, or avoid making a definitive commitment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere did I use vague or ambiguous language or double- >>>>>>>>>>>> meanings to conceal the truth. I simply pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>> your claims do not actually constitute anything resembling >>>>>>>>>>>> proof on the formal definition of proof. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You keep dodging the fact that there is no actual evidence >>>>>>>>>>>>> of election fraud that could possibly change the outcome >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the 2020 presidential election. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note that I do not actually believe that there was fraud in >>>>>>>>>>>> the Election, nor do I believe that there is evidence of >>>>>>>>>>>> election irregularities sufficient to support widespread >>>>>>>>>>>> fraud. My claim is simply that this has not actually been >>>>>>>>>>>> *proven*. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is the exact weasel words that keep the dumb fucks >>>>>>>>>>> believing that there was fraud. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In other words, you don't know what "proof" means. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Trump has not met the *legal* burden of proof to support his >>>>>>>>>>>> claims, but that is very different from claiming that the >>>>>>>>>>>> claims have been disproven in the formal sense. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> André >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no fucking actual evidence in the whole fucking world >>>>>>>>>>> that there was any election fraud at all THAT COULD POSSIBLY >>>>>>>>>>> CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is the evidence that no such evidence exists? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> THIS PROVES >>>>>>>>>> Nothing, because you didn't actually prove anything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That no human being on the planet ever presented any >>>>>>>>> actual evidence what-so-ever of any election fraud >>>>>>>>> that could have possibly changed the outcome of the >>>>>>>>> 2020 presidential election >>>>>>>> That's not evidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is proof of somethings and evidence of others and not >>>>>>> even evidence of other things. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is isn't is evidence that there was no election interference. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saying this is it simply not evidence without saying >>>>>>> exactly what it is not evidence is >>>>>> On 7/12/2026 10:15 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> > One-two punch Destroys Liars >>>>>> > #WhatIsTheEvidence >>>>>> > #ThatIsNotEvidence >>>>>> > Around and around until Defeated >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That no one can possibly provide any evidence >>>> >>>> What is the evidence of that? >>>> >>> >>> You already know. >> So just like Trump said: "Look around". >> >> That's not evidence. >> > > proof of proof is finding it. > proof of no proof means doing a very good > search everywhere Nope. It means either conclusively checking *all* possible places or showing conclusively that fraud in fact did not exist, implying there can be no proof that it did. > and all the people that > claimed there is proof infinitely dodge when > pinned down. Which is what you're doing right now when being pressed for evidence. > > "evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true" > Is the base meaning of proof that I have always meant > when I have ever used the term "proof" for 28 years. > Which is not the stipulated definition of "proof" as used in math and logic, which is the subject of these newsgroups, and therefore irrelevant.
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Olcott's system "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-12 10:11 +0200
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 09:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 14:30 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:13 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 16:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:38 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:28 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 12:19 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:25 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 11:01 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:24 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 13:32 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:34 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 18:10 -0600
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 12:48 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:18 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:13 +0300
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:28 -0400
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:05 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:22 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 13:51 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:31 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:22 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:37 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:17 +0000
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:33 -0700
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:48 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 21:09 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:01 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:07 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:39 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:38 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:29 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:38 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:03 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 21:12 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:03 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 20:18 -0700
Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:42 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 21:27 -0700
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 23:43 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 16:03 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:05 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:51 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:35 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:41 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:34 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 12:34 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 20:10 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:19 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:45 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:43 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:35 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:45 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 08:44 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-17 12:43 +0000
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:55 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-21 15:02 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-21 16:36 +0000
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 11:10 -0600
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-22 19:20 +0100
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 13:43 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0000
Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-24 11:42 +0100
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-24 12:24 +0000
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:30 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:19 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:30 +0000
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:54 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:26 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:06 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:47 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:49 +0300
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 00:41 -0700
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 10:38 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:51 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 11:29 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:00 -0500
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 12:49 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:57 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0400
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:29 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:31 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:46 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:51 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:06 -0400
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:34 -0700
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:15 -0600
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 11:08 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:43 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 17:14 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:20 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:24 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 17:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:41 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 19:39 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:59 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:12 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:33 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:48 +0000
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:04 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:07 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:22 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:11 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:52 -0500
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:59 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:10 +0300
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:59 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:19 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:16 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:54 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:13 +0300
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:36 -0400
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:45 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:57 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:24 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:00 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:25 +0300
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:50 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:08 -0500
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:31 +0300
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:25 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:04 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:27 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:03 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:21 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:27 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:40 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:57 -0400
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:15 -0500
Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:28 -0400
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:38 -0600
Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:44 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:10 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 16:31 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:33 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 18:32 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 19:53 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:00 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:18 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:19 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:23 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:26 -0400
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:28 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:49 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:34 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 10:47 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:00 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 11:49 -0600
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:55 -0500
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:27 +0300
Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:56 -0700
Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:34 -0600
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:49 -0500
Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:52 -0700
Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:30 +0300
Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:07 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 16:50 +0000
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:19 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 17:54 +0000
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:05 -0500
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 11:32 +0100
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:52 +0300
Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:45 +0300
Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:23 -0500
Re: Olcott's system inconsistent "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-13 08:24 +0200
Re: Olcott's system inconsistent olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:35 -0500
Re: Olcott's system inconsistent "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2026-07-22 10:31 +0200
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