Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes?

From	Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk>
Newsgroups	uk.telecom
Subject	Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes?
Date	2026-07-11 16:52 +0100
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On 07/07/2026 23:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/7/7 23:3:39, Theo wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> On 2026/7/6 23:35:4, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2026 22:49, Theo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So changing from provisioning the ATA to not provisioning it is just a flip
>>>>> of a config switch.  They could also save a bit of hardware cost by not
>>>>> provisioning the analogue phone components, but that's not a massive saving
>>>>> and perhaps outweighed by just producing the same board in greater volumes.
>>>>> Then flash it with the appropriate firmware image and stick it in a BT or EE
>>>>> or PN branded plastic case to match.
>>>>
>>>>    My daughter#s Plusnet FTTP install came with an EE Smart Hub 6 with the
>>>> blue '8' logo on the front and SSID of EE...
>>>>
>>> If you/she connect to its web interface, does it appear to be (logos
>>> etc.) a PlusNet or an EE device?
>>>
>>> If the latter, I wonder if the ATA in it _can_ be accessed (since AIUI
>>> EE _do_ do VoIP)!

  It is all EE logos, broadband username bthumehub, no mention of a phone.

>> I would not be surprised if they can reflash routers with BT or EE or PN
>> firmware remotely, based on the customer they are being used by.  ie router
>> connects to provisioning server (typically via TR-069), server identifies
>> it's on a PN connection, says 'hey, I have a firmware update for you', the
>> router installs it and reboots into the PN firmware.
>>
>> Perhaps it was originally running EE firmware out of the box but as soon as
>> it connected they 'updated' it to the PN firmware?

  "Firmware updated: N/A"
  Installed over a year ago, only about 1 month in the log, but no sign of 
any remote managemnt.
> 
> Over to you, Nick!

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Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 12:38 +0100
  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 12:56 +0100
    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 20:34 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 20:49 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:27 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:26 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 12:28 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:54 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-05 19:18 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:42 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 21:27 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-06 14:25 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-07 10:45 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:22 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 12:12 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 13:33 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:03 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:20 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:33 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-07-06 09:43 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 10:51 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 13:52 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 15:42 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 18:26 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 19:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:50 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:34 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:49 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-07-06 23:35 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 22:23 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-07 23:03 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-07 23:35 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-07-11 16:52 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:46 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:01 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-07 11:05 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 13:41 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:49 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:03 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:10 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:27 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:20 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-11 09:48 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-11 11:14 +0100

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