Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes?

From	Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Newsgroups	uk.telecom
Subject	Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes?
Date	2026-07-06 19:13 +0100
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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

> I have also reverse engineered Sky's implementation (which is standard SIP
> with TR-104); I have never had a BT connection to try their version.

If you had to reverse enginner it to find out what it was, doesn't that
mean they have hidden an open protocol behind closed doors?

> How much reverse engineering have you done?

None, but that doesn't mean I am wrong necessarily.

> That's a different point to using proprietary standards.  I can offer an
> email service use bog standard IMAP but if you don't have the password you
> can't use it.  BT are just not giving customers the information needed to
> use their service, because they have decided not to.

The original question which I was trying to answer was why would BT not
use the open standards? (Andy Burns). My answer is to tie people into
hardware. If they use open standards behind closed doors then that
amounts to the same thing, I think.

> I think for most people the position is best where the ISP is in charge of
> updating their CPE.

I agree. So many people struggle even to use their smartphones. They
won't even be thinking about this sort of thing. It is a utility. It
should just work. Unfortunately ISPs do silly things like having WPS and
Universal Plug and Play switched on because they don't want the support
calls when it doesn't work.

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Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 12:38 +0100
  Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 12:56 +0100
    Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-04 20:34 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-04 20:49 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:27 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:44 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-05 11:26 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 12:28 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:54 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-05 19:18 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:42 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 21:27 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-06 14:25 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-07-07 10:45 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:22 +0100
      Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 12:12 +0100
        Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-05 13:33 +0100
          Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:03 +0100
            Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-05 14:20 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 14:33 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-07-06 09:43 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 10:51 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 13:52 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 15:42 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 18:26 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-07-06 19:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:50 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:34 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-06 22:49 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-07-06 23:35 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:46 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-07 09:01 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-07-07 11:05 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 13:41 +0100
              Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:49 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:03 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 19:10 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:27 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-05 20:13 +0100
                Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:20 +0100

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