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Re: """Standard""" software

From Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.vintage, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: """Standard""" software
Date 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <111ldon$c7hh$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 2026-06-26, Your Name wrote:

> On 2026-06-26 01:57:11 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said:
>>>>
>>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"?
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Most of the business world did years ago ...
>>
>> Is this the same “business world” that has largely moved its
>> operations into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated by
>> Linux?
>
> I think you need to get out into the real world more often, rather
> than sitting in your own deluisonal little room by yourself.  :-\
>
> Another idiot added to the killfile.

I think relativism from your part would improve matters too. It's not
even a de facto standard the way you stated it, the business world is
not synonymous with reality, and it may also have parts which blur the
distinction between reality and beliefs (where corporate decisionmakers
put money in what they think reality is, out of some belief).

Just for one example: the tech world pretty much has as a sort of
guideline, if not "standard", that you don't top-post and you don't
destroy threading (by properly maintaining and extending References and
In-Reply-To), and that you clearly denote quoted material with a quoting
level indicator on the left side. But some on the corporate world think
differently, and at least one company (MICROS~1) has tried to push hard
their own incompatible and problematic approach to e-mail, possibly
arising out of some metaphor with paper documents flowing in an
office. That Microsoft chose to go with that doesn't make it a standard,
even though the disease (I'd avoid this wording, except this is about
top-posting and lack of quoting levels and mangling references, so I'll
go with "disease") spreads because of them.

Heck, the tech world even has a solution to make plain text e-mails
reflowable.

The business world also includes companies who know better than using
Microsoft products and services (again, I'd use another wording, but
Microsoft has actively done so much damage...)


What follows is in case somebody thinks I'm exaggerating about
Microsoft, and regards the above as, I don't know, "fanboyism"...; Also,
in case somebody needs to be aware of these things:

Bill Gates wants to introduce hardware incompatibilities using ACPI:
<http://web.archive.org/web/1if_/http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf>

Microsoft's FUD:
<https://enwp.org/Halloween_papers#List_of_documents>

So you want to do e-mail with Microsoft? If your server doesn't send a
lot of e-mail, it might get blocked (yes, you read that right, you may
have to spam more, not less).

<news://news.gmane.io/YyGtAsSxjpA0Ky4+@lazarescu.org>
<http://web.archive.org/web/20210225102644/https://guides.downstate.edu/c.php?g=654922&p=4870487>

Some messages will be sent to Quarantine, which users may have not heard
about. And I'm not even sure SmartScreen won't possibly just drop
messages completely without sending to Quarantine.

<http://web.archive.org/web/20210225102644/https://guides.downstate.edu/c.php?g=654922&p=4870487>
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/357214/emails-to-microsoft-365-customers-are-silently-dro>
<https://www.nerd-quickies.net/2020/10/20/microsoft-silently-dropping-emails-a-sad-but-true-story/>

-- 
Nuno Silva

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            """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:55 +0100
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                Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
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                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000
                Can be trusted... (Was: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and) Linux Mint Cinnamon) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-27 12:53 +0000
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