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Re: """Standard""" software

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.vintage, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: """Standard""" software
Date 2026-06-27 11:00 +1200
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2026-06-26 08:37:41 +0000, Nuno Silva said:
> On 2026-06-26, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2026-06-26 01:57:11 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said:
>>>>> 
>>>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"?
>>>> <snip>
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the business world did years ago ...
>>> 
>>> Is this the same "business world" that has largely moved its operations 
>>> into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated by Linux?
>> 
>> I think you need to get out into the real world more often, rather than 
>> sitting in your own deluisonal little room by yourself.  :-\
>> 
>> Another idiot added to the killfile.
> 
> I think relativism from your part would improve matters too. It's not 
> even a de facto standard the way you stated it,

The majority of businesses in the world use Microsloth Windoze (about 
60%-66%*) and Microsloth Ofiice (about 82% in 2017*)... they *are* 
basically the standard and have been for decades now. It may be slowly 
beginning to change.

* That figure is for those using the lastest versions Windowze 10 and 11,
  so doesn't include all those still using older versions.

* A very quick search doesn't turn up more up-to-date figures for Microsloth
  Office, only for the online Office 365 version, which doesn't include
  offline users. In terms of just online office apps, Google currently has
  the most users.



> the business world is not synonymous with reality, and it may also have 
> parts which blur the distinction between reality and beliefs (where 
> corporate decisionmakers put money in what they think reality is, out 
> of some belief).
> 
> Just for one example: the tech world pretty much has as a sort of 
> guideline, if not "standard", that you don't top-post and you don't 
> destroy threading (by properly maintaining and extending References and 
> In-Reply-To), and that you clearly denote quoted material with a 
> quoting level indicator on the left side. But some on the corporate 
> world think differently, and at least one company (MICROS~1) has tried 
> to push hard their own incompatible and problematic approach to e-mail, 
> possibly arising out of some metaphor with paper documents flowing in 
> an office. That Microsoft chose to go with that doesn't make it a 
> standard, even though the disease (I'd avoid this wording, except this 
> is about top-posting and lack of quoting levels and mangling 
> references, so I'll go with "disease") spreads because of them.

Microsoloth always tries to push their own stupid ideas as the tech 
standard. Some "succeed" simply due to the scale of their user base, 
others fail miserbaly.

Probably the best known example was Microsloth Exploiter that pushed 
its own way of doing things to the point that website makers had to use 
a variety of techniques try to accomodate two different options, 
depending on which browser you were using. Those that simply went with 
Exploiter's way caused compatibility issues for people using other web 
browsers. This was usually most evident with government websites where 
they never bothered to test things on any other browser or OS.

In fact, one charity company I worked for had to file monthly reports 
to their main funder via a website system. They used Apple computers 
and none of the web browsers would work properly with the website 
report system (including Mac Exploiter). The only option was for them 
to get a Windoze PC with Exploiter solely to do the monthly reports.

Such issues do still come up from time to time, especially with 
government websites, but mainly if you're still using older versions of 
web broswers.

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            """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:55 +0100
              Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:34 +1200
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                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-26 18:23 +1200
                Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
                Re: """Standard""" software Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:00 +1200
                Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 08:02 +0100
                Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:51 +0200
                Re: """Standard""" software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:53 -0400
                Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
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                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:42 +0000
                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:46 +1200
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                Re: """Standard""" software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:26 +0100
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                Re: Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 19:51 +1200
                Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 09:28 +0100
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                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000
                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 10:15 +1200
                Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0100
                Re: “Standard” software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:03 +0000
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                Re: “Standard” software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:04 +0100
                Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:42 -0400
                Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000
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              Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:09 +0100
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:26 +0100
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 15:52 +1200
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 04:12 +0000
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 09:41 +0100
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:57 +0000
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:35 +1200
                Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100

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