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Re: My comparison of the Motorola G4 - Nexus 6s - iPhone 6s

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In article <nm0v6l$142h$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > there's a shitload of differences between a moto g3 and an iphone 6s,
> 
> I'll run a comparison of the iPhone 6s and the Moto G4 and the Nexus 6,
> which seems, to me, upon initial cursory inspection anyway, to be a fair
> comparison on performance.

he's not comparing a g4.

he's comparing a moto *g3* with an iphone 6s which is a ludicrous
comparison.

any idiot can tell that they're two very different classes of products.

the nexus 6 is also bigger than the iphone 6s+, which is already big.

you're also comparing raw specs, not real world use.

the verge did a review of the moto g4+ (the one above the g4, which is
a *later* version of his g3), summing it up by just saying 'no'.

<http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/11/12147782/moto-g4-plus-review-android>
  I¹m angry right now. Angry that it¹s 2016 and Android smartphone
  performance can still be awful. Furious that we¹re approaching the
  10th anniversary of the iPhone and Apple¹s competitors still don¹t
  get why its phone is so popular. But most of all, I¹m irate that
  Motorola¹s once-great Moto G budget handset has been turned into a
  compromised and nondescript piece of technological mediocrity.
...
  I can only quibble with the automatic brightness adjustment, which
  can be slow to adapt and sometimes changes in discrete increments
  that make it noticeable. That quibble grows, however, when you start
  exploring the Moto G¹s interface and find yourself consistently
  bothered by something. Is it the jittery animations? Is it the way
  the keyboard¹s letter pop-ups linger on the display for longer than
  they should? Or is it those two-second delays when trying to review
  the last photo you took with the camera? The answer is all of the
  above, of course, as you quickly discover that the Moto G4¹s
  performance is sluggish to the point of being offensive.
...
  The camera is another spot where the Moto G¹s poor performance proves
  an issue. When I take a photo and swipe in from the right to look at
  the shot, there¹s a weird screen rotation animation (why? I¹m keeping
  the phone perfectly level!) before I¹m able to review or edit
  anything. That annoyance is augmented by the delay when swiping to
  and from the camera viewfinder, rendering me both aggravated and
  enervated. I don¹t want to ‹ I shouldn¹t have to ‹ fight my phone
  when all I want to do is take a picture and look at it.

  Not that anyone should trust the Moto G for anything more than casual
  photography. I¹ve been testing the upgraded 16-megapixel Moto G Plus
  camera, and it does nothing to justify the "Plus" branding. It¹s the
  very definition of mediocrity, falling far behind the recent OnePlus
  3 in terms of sharpness, detail retention, and color accuracy. Don¹t
  bother trying to photograph anything in low light with the G or G
  Plus, either, as you¹ll only end up with big splotches of indistinct
  color.
...
  If Lenovo wants to carry on Motorola¹s legacy, it must do better than
  this stuttering, suboptimal Android experience. Even at $199, the
  Moto G should not be this slow and unfriendly to its user. The Moto
  brand once defined what affordable Android could and should be, but
  this year¹s Moto G iteration has fallen into the familiar trap of
  chasing specs and numbers instead of usability and usefulness.


as the saying goes, you get what you pay for.


> https://www.motorola.com/us/products/motomaker
> A. Moto G4/16GB = $200
> B. Moto G4/32GB = $230
> 
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Unlocked-Cellphone-Discontinued-Manufacturer/d
> p/B00R1984DI
> A. Nexus 6/32GB = $300
> 
> A. iPhone 6s/16GB = $650
> B. iPhone 6s/64GB = $750
> 
> Motorola G4 specifications:
> http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4-8103.php
> 
> Nexus 6 specifications:
> http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_nexus_6-6604.php
> 
> iPhone 6s specifications:
> http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_6s-7242.php
> 
> Rough comparison in the order presented by GSM Arena:
> 1. Network = essentially the same - but Apple 6s has EVDO)

the networks are not essentially the same.

an iphone 6s has just about all lte bands as well as advanced lte, hd
voice and volte.

the moto g3 (he wasn't comparing a g4) has limited lte bands, no
advanced lte and no volte. however, the g4 does support volte.

> 2. Display = all different - Nexus 6 wins - but all are great

it doesn't win. they're all comparable.

> 3. CPU= all different - Nexus 6 wins - but all are great

it's more than just the processor, as the moto g4 review shows.

in real world use, the iphone wins.

> 4. Memory = essentially the same - Nexus 6 wins on internal RAM

android has a higher runtime overhead and *requires* more memory than
ios.

> 5. Expansion = Motorola G4 wins on expansion - but it may not matter

it doesn't matter at all.

the moto g3 (he's not comparing a g4) *stops* at 16 gig, whereas the
iphone *starts* at 16 gig and goes all the way up to 128 gig. 

16 gig isn't all that much anymore. most users think that apple should
not even offer a 16 gig phone at all, starting at 32 gig, which is what
rumours suggest will happen with the next iphone in the fall. 

the g4 stops at 32 gig, where the next iphone supposedly will start.

in other words, the moto g4 *needs* expansion because it's dead last in
internal capacity and then you get into the mess that is android and
microsd cards.

> 6. Camera = essentially the same - Apple loses slightly on pixels

the camera in the iphone is considered to be among the best, and it's
more than just pixel count too.

see the above review for how bad the g4 camera is. 

> 7. Video = iPhone 6s wins on formats, then Nexus 6, last Moto G4
> 8. WLAN = essentially the same - Nexus 6 then iPhone 6s, last Moto G4

nexus/iphone/g4 all have 802.11ac, making them equivalent.

however, the g3 is just 802.11n, which is what he was comparing, making
it last.

> 9. Bluetooth = same (I'm surprised, because I thought iOS had no bluetooth
> file transfer!)

it's not the same, although close.

iphone has bluetooth 4.2, nexus 6 and g4 have bluetooth 4.1 and the g3
has bluetooth 4.0.

also, and what doesn't show up in the specs, is that android's support
of bluetooth 4.x is not very good, which is why a lot of third party
btle devices only support iphones and very few android phones.

> 10. GPS = same - Moto G4 has "BDS" (whatever that is)
> 11. NFC = Nexus 6 wins, Apple a close second, not in Moto G4

that one is true. nfc on android does do more.

> 12. FM Radio = Only the moto G has an FM radio - but it's not critical

fm radio is useless because it requires headphones for an antenna and
is restricted to nearby stations.

with an app, you can listen to any station anywhere on the planet, and
without needing headphones either.

> 13. Fingerprint = Only the iPhone 6s has fingerprint sensor

which can used both for unlocking and buying stuff. highly recommended.

> 14. Accelerometer/Gyro = same for all 
> 15. Proximity = The Nexus 6 & iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
> 16. Compass = The Nexus 6 and iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
> 17. Barometer = The Nexus 6 and iPhone 6 have it - none on Moto G4
> 18. Talktime = best is Moto G4 then Nexus - iPhone 6s last

where did you get moto g4 talk time?

iphone 6s+ is 24 hours talk time while the nexus is 20 hr, making the
6s+ the winner, not the loser.

you also can't compare the battery life of a nexus 6 with a much
smaller iphone 6. the nexus 6 roughly the size of a iphone 6s+
(slightly bigger).

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