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Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems

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First attempt at a reply appears to have been swallowed by a black hole, 
apologies if this repost is a duplicate for some ...

On 2026-06-04 00:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/6/3 14:25:52, Theo wrote:
>> Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:
>>> Thanks for those suggestions - router doesn't have any useful options of
>>> that kind but I can see that it's broadcasting on 2.4 as well as 5 GHz.
>>> It does have a WPS button but that doesn't help.
>>>
>>> I think I'll follow up the suggestion made earlier of getting a wifi6
>>> dongle.  There have been some reports that this solves the problem and
>>> the cost is pretty small.
>>
>> According to:
>> https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/lenovo_z41-70_z51-70_ideapad_500_14_15_hmm_201507.pdf
>>
>> it takes an M.2 wifi card internally.  The installed wifi card (if the
>> picture is to be believed) looks like an A+E key.
>>
>> You can swap this out for a new wifi card - this is neater and will likely
>> get better reception than a dongle as it uses the laptop's own antennas in
>> the screen.
>>
>> I recommend Intel as they're typically more stable than Broadcom or
>> Qualcomm.  You should avoid CNVIO devices as I don't think your motherboard
>> supports them.  But something like an Intel AX200 or AX210 is a good bet for
>> wifi 6.  The BE200 supports wifi 7 but I hear it doesn't work on AMD systems
>> (the Z51 seemingly comes in AMD and Intel versions and not sure what you
>> have).
>>
>> Replacement is typically just unscrewing the bottom of the laptop, pulling
>> out the battery connector, removing one screw and two antenna cables from
>> the old card, replacing the card with the new one, screwing it down,
>> reattaching the antenna cables, replugging the battery and screwing the
>> bottom back on.  The PDF above page 53 gives instructions.
>>
>> AX210s can be picked up on ebay for about £20 and AX200s from £10 (I'd avoid
>> the 'from China' sellers, and avoid AX201s as they're CNVIO).
> 
> That hardware replacement sounds easy enough, and I've seen such cards
> (though never tried changing ones - are the aerial connections just
> push-on?); but aren't you likely to need a new (or at least different)
> driver (which may not be available for the OS in question, or at least
> the very devil to get working)?

I tried this some years ago with a mobile card in a Dell Precision 
M4300, and never got the card to work.  A replacement WiFi card probably 
will be somewhat different and hopefully easier, nevertheless the OP may 
care to note what I wrote at the time about attempting to install a 
mobile card:

"""

First, was the laptop built for the UK, the US, or elsewhere, and are 
you still in the same country?  Don't buy a card built for a laptop from 
another country  -  IME, just doesn't work.

Second, ensure you can get Dell drivers for it, that is genuine Dell 
from the Dell site.  Even though they are buying in external hardware 
from OEM chip firms such as Sierra, Dell and some other manufacturers 
implement their own hardware IDs, and other drivers, even from the OEM 
manufacturer, may not work as expected.

Third, ensure that the PCB connector fitting is the same.  The laptop 
PCB probably expects a Mini PCI-E Express, while some modern cards have 
M2 fittings  -  confusingly described as M.2 PCIe but this is not the 
same, worse there are several variants in the M2 standard with the 
number and positions of the gaps in the connectors being different. Get 
it wrong, and you'll end up having to buy an adaptor cradle.

Fourth, ensure that the aerial connections are the same.  This is an 
equally confusing area, as the fittings are very small, and those that I 
would call male and female respectively, based on their actual shape, 
are often referred to by the opposite terms in much, perhaps most, of 
the product technical literature.  Even worse, there are at least two 
different sizes in use, and the difference between them is not obvious 
unless and until you see them side by side under a magnifying glass, 
it's impossible just from photos, and the actual fitting size may not 
even be included in technical product data.

The aerials in the lid of a Precision M4300 are IPX U.FL while those on, 
say, a Sierra EM73xx are MHF4.

The connections are so small that even if you are certain that you have 
the right ones, I would advise wearing watchmaker-style magnifying 
glasses to make the connections, otherwise you could end up damaging one 
or other or both.

Even if you get all this right, it still may not work.

A minefield, stay clear.

"""


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Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-02 16:04 +0100
  Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:23 +0000
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 15:28 +0000
  Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-02 16:26 +0100
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-06-02 17:07 +0100
      Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> - 2026-06-03 23:34 +0100
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-02 18:56 +0100
      Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-06-03 14:25 +0100
        Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-04 00:11 +0100
          Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:34 +0100
            Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-06-04 11:21 +0100
          Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 07:38 +0100
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Bob Pullen <me@privacy.net> - 2026-06-08 08:24 +0100
      Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-13 09:56 +0100
        Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-06-13 09:34 +0000
          Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-14 11:44 +0100
            Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 10:50 +0000
              Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-14 14:56 +0100
                Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 14:54 +0000
  Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-23 12:11 +0100
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-06-23 18:26 +0100
      Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-23 19:04 +0100
        Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-23 19:26 +0100
    Re: Plusnet ==> EE brings WPA problems Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> - 2026-06-29 15:09 +0100

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