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Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network

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Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On 2026/5/24 7:11:14, Tweed wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 2026/5/23 11:32:17, Tweed wrote:
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2026/5/22 8:36:0, Tweed wrote:
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>> How long ago was this? My guess it was in the days when CGNAT was a bit of
>>>>>>>> a novelty. These days, with probably the vast majority of consumer
>>>>>>>> connections (including mobile phones) via CGNAT or frequently changing
>>>>>>>> dynamically allocated routeable addresses you’d be out of business as an
>>>>>>>> email provider if you blacklisted originating IP addresses. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a nasty feeling that email as a whole may in the near future
>>>>>>> start to be considered an anachronism, and those using it start to be
>>>>>>> viewed in the same insulting/pitying way as those who now do not possess
>>>>>>> a smartphone, or who use a landline.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can confirm with recently adult children, they struggle a bit with the
>>>>>> asynchronous and somewhat more formal aspects of email. They're used to the
>>>>>> immediacy of instragram or snapchat or family groupchats. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Once they get deeply into the world of work they will discover email.
>>>>> Instant messaging in its various forms works within an organisation, but
>>>>> when you need to deal with external folk you still need email, mostly. In
>>>>> my line of work there’s no chance that email will go away. 
>>>>> 
>>>> You may say that - but think: in the same work situations, when did you
>>>> last send a paper letter? I'm sure the same discussions happened there.
>>>> 
>>>> I _like_ email, and am not on any of the "instant" mechanisms (OK, I
>>>> have a dumbphone that can get texts, but I might not notice them for
>>>> ages). I _do_ get slightly odd looks when I say no, I'm not on instagram
>>>> (or whatever) - not just "young folk", but for example matters relating
>>>> to the old folks coffee morning. (Well, nominally open to all, but since
>>>> it's in the middle of a weekday morning a young person is very rare.)
>>> 
>>> Email is the replacement for letters. When you deal with people in business
>>> who are not part of your organisation and are possibly in different time
>>> zones you need a method of communication that can be attended to not
>>> immediately, keeps a sortable record of what is sent and received, can have
>>> documents attached, uses common standards (ie not some proprietary
>>> protocol) because you don’t know what the other end is using, etc. 
>>> 
>> I'm with you (though I remember confusion over UUcode, MIME, and I think
>> a later protocol - initially UU was the default and you only used MIME
>> for those you knew could handle it, now many clients don't even know
>> what to do with UU - not to mention whether truly embedded or not);
>> however, as Chris says, some of today's generation struggle with email.
> 
> Struggle yes. I’ve noticed that the younger folk agonise for ages composing
> an email. 

Literal days of agony. Not even kidding. 

> Me, I just type a few quick lines and hit send. 

Me too, mostly. 

> Extra black marks
> for people who start emails with “I hope this email finds you well” or
> similar. 

That's a bit harsh. 

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Broadband Over the Mobile Network "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-05-21 09:15 +0000
  Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 10:41 +0100
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-05-21 10:05 +0000
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-21 10:16 +0000
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> - 2026-05-21 15:07 +0100
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Mark Undrill <spam@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-21 11:17 +0100
  Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 12:34 +0100
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 14:11 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-05-21 13:19 +0000
        Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 15:06 +0100
          Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:09 +0100
            Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-22 00:01 +0100
              Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 05:43 +0000
              Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-22 08:22 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 07:36 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-22 09:15 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-22 21:47 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 10:09 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 10:32 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-23 20:48 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 06:11 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-24 11:27 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 11:18 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-24 14:18 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network David Rance <david@SPAMOFF.invalid> - 2026-05-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-05-24 22:10 +0000
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-25 10:21 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-24 10:58 +0100
                Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-24 11:29 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 14:23 +0100
        Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 15:15 +0100
          Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 22:16 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-05-21 14:12 +0000
      Sending email from own server (was: Broadband Over the Mobile Network) Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-05-22 13:59 +0100
        Re: Sending email from own server Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-22 14:20 +0100
          Re: Sending email from own server Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 15:23 +0000
            Re: Sending email from own server Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2026-05-22 20:03 +0100
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-21 19:01 +0100
  Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-05-21 13:26 +0000
  Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-05-21 15:18 +0100
  Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-30 09:29 +0000
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-30 13:43 +0100
    Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-30 15:54 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-30 16:01 +0100
        Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-30 20:12 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-30 17:22 +0100
      Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-30 17:25 +0100
        Re: Broadband Over the Mobile Network David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-30 17:51 +0100

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