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Re: O.T.T

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Subject Re: O.T.T
Date 2026-05-09 18:21 -0400
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On Sat, 5/9/2026 2:59 AM, RobnCA_5 wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> On Thu, 5/7/2026 7:30 PM, RobnCA_5 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmmmm well we'll see what happens on the next mrimg but
>>> what do you think could be causing it to run slow?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> It's hard to tell at this distance.
>>
>> It should not be Windows Defender, as the backup does not work
>> at the file level. To work at the cluster level, that would
>> be a level below the filesystem level. Some activities on
>> computers, Windows Defender slows them down by about a factor
>> of eight, as direct file scanning is involved for each item.
>>
>> The backup works at the same level as the HDTune benchmark does :-)
>> The basic disk I/O then, are supposed to work as well as the
>> HDTune benchmark works... While a third-party AV can try to
>> interfere with this activity, it would be hard to explain
>> why it would be doing that.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>>
> 
> I ran HD-Tune again (3) times,.. this is after I removed all
> the data although as you say that shouldn't affect it. I just have
> notebook open at this point and opened/closed paintbrush to record
> screenshots. I took screenshots of the health tab on the last two.
> 
> https://postimg.cc/0zns95Wh
> 
> https://postimg.cc/pm2wcbWw
> 
> https://postimg.cc/Fky6GGwV
> 
> https://postimg.cc/Fky6GGwV - health
> 
> https://postimg.cc/XBk29qCp - health
> 
> 
> Robert
> 

I ran a backup here, while using Process Monitor, and the
operation is very smooth there. The reads are done in 64KB blocks,
the writes were done in 4MB blocks. When viewed at that level, the
pacing seems quite constant. Which is a bit unusual.

It occurs to me, after doing that, that the "compression" setting in
the Macrium Options, could make a difference. There is High, Medium and None.
Medium is the default. I usually do mine with None for compression.
The High Setting, might well be able to drop the write-rate to 80MB/sec.
The compression setting affects how much space the backup takes on the
destination disk.

The Options are in the lower left corner, when you're setting
up the backup.

Macrium does not tend to use all the processor cores, and the compression
could go faster if they used more of the CPU cores. One reason for not
using a "fancy" compressor, is it attracts law suits over patents. Using
a "lame" compressor is the better choice :-)

   Paul

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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-19 08:24 -0400
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-20 10:39 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:06 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-22 03:45 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-14 17:48 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-17 05:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 14:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-18 05:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 10:47 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-15 16:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-17 07:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-17 14:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-18 05:19 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-18 11:11 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 01:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-20 10:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:19 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-20 15:31 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 00:23 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-21 16:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-22 03:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-22 17:28 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-23 00:29 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-24 15:11 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-24 23:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 01:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 20:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 21:14 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 02:42 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 20:53 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-27 17:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-04-28 21:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 21:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 12:33 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 12:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-01 21:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-01 23:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 00:18 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 02:53 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-04 03:22 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 21:46 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 22:05 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-06 00:25 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-06 16:36 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-07 08:32 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-07 16:30 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:13 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-08 23:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:21 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 00:29 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-12 09:48 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-13 00:56 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 16:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 20:34 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-12 10:18 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-13 01:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-13 05:32 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-14 11:35 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-18 21:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-05-20 20:41 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-20 22:58 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-21 02:37 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 03:55 -0700
                Re: O.T.T John Dulak <Johnd@Booogus.com> - 2026-05-29 09:46 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 23:23 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-01 05:02 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-01 22:09 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-29 23:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-31 22:30 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-01 05:23 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-01 22:25 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 04:02 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 05:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-02 06:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 06:25 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-06 01:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-06 02:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-07 06:17 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-07 10:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:28 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 01:45 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 01:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 03:26 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 02:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 11:03 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-08 16:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 02:07 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-09 07:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-09 08:11 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-09 23:42 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 01:39 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 09:47 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 10:40 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 16:03 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-10 15:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 22:41 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-11 07:51 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-12 13:33 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-13 02:15 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-13 04:26 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-16 22:03 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-16 23:27 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:34 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-16 23:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-17 00:09 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-17 09:17 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:54 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-18 17:41 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-23 02:07 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 10:59 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 11:16 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:05 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 23:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 16:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-03 06:59 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 08:36 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:26 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 09:14 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-18 23:50 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-23 02:08 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 22:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 18:38 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:16 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 23:02 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-27 07:08 -0400
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 19:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 10:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 14:36 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-28 20:40 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-28 19:48 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-29 21:13 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 12:32 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:10 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-30 12:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:11 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-01 00:54 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 09:30 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-01 12:03 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:19 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 07:17 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-03 21:44 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-04 03:29 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 03:04 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-07 05:34 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-07 20:54 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 14:18 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 22:01 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-05 23:40 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-08 11:32 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:25 -0400
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-02 07:12 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobCA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-15 00:44 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 06:42 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-04 14:01 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:54 -0400
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-06 02:45 -0700
                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 02:54 -0700
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                Re: O.T.T RobnCA_5 <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-02 11:15 -0700
                Re: O.T.T Rob in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-01 04:47 -0800
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